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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Aug 17 5.10pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I call him a manhole cover hugging nob head. And that should be a question mark teach'. No it was an exclamation. Dunce.
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 14 Aug 17 5.10pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I call him a manhole cover hugging nob head.

And that should be a question mark teach'.

No it was an exclamation. Dunce.

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Kermit8 Hevon 14 Aug 17 5.48pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 So no evidence then. You were there? How old were you then about 9? As for an article in the laughingly names 'Independant' newspaper (that is now merely on-line because it was so f'in boring and biased). The police at Lewisham were attacked by the left contingents of the mobs that chose to confront each other. Just trying to keep a bit of law and order but you cheer on those attacking them. They were having a blue love affair the Police and the Tories but your memory seems to have lapsed about this: In office after 1979, the Thatcher Tories petted the police with special treatment saving them from the attacks on the public sector generally. They were exempt from the wide-ranging public expenditure cuts, and from the New Public Management disciplines that sought to achieve the ‘three E’s’ (efficiency, effectiveness andeconomy). In the face of a wave of urban riots and industrial militancy unprecedented in postwar Britain, public order policing was militarised. There were new toys for the boys in blue: Nato helmets, shields, long truncheons, CS gas, plastic bullets, enhanced legal powers, and a ring-fencing of ‘constabulary independence’ from efforts by Labour controlled local authorities to question militaristic policing Robert Reiner LSE And he hasn't even mentioned the 45% pay rise whilst 1.5million unemployed was becoming 2.5. I remember one of the nastier PCs at Selhurst flashing his Tory membership card. They were aligned the two institutions covering each other's corrupt backs. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 14 Aug 17 5.48pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

So no evidence then.

You were there? How old were you then about 9? As for an article in the laughingly names 'Independant' newspaper (that is now merely on-line because it was so f'in boring and biased).

The police at Lewisham were attacked by the left contingents of the mobs that chose to confront each other. Just trying to keep a bit of law and order but you cheer on those attacking them.

They were having a blue love affair the Police and the Tories but your memory seems to have lapsed about this:

In office after 1979, the Thatcher Tories petted the police with special treatment saving them from the attacks on the public sector generally. They were exempt from the wide-ranging public expenditure cuts, and from the New Public Management disciplines
that sought to achieve the ‘three E’s’ (efficiency, effectiveness andeconomy).

In the face of a wave of urban riots and industrial
militancy unprecedented in postwar Britain, public order policing was militarised. There were new toys for the boys in blue: Nato helmets, shields, long truncheons, CS gas, plastic bullets, enhanced
legal powers, and a ring-fencing of ‘constabulary independence’ from efforts by Labour controlled local authorities to question militaristic
policing

Robert Reiner LSE

And he hasn't even mentioned the 45% pay rise whilst 1.5million unemployed was becoming 2.5. I remember one of the nastier PCs at Selhurst flashing his Tory membership card. They were aligned the two institutions covering each other's corrupt backs.

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Aug 17 5.48pm
Originally posted by nickgusset No it was an exclamation. Dunce. I'll give you that one. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Aug 2017 5.55pm)
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Originally posted by nickgusset

No it was an exclamation. Dunce.

I'll give you that one.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Aug 2017 5.55pm)

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Kermit8 Hevon 14 Aug 17 5.49pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Of course it was. Honesty is not your strong suit is it comrade. It was obviously an exclamation. You could just admit you made a grammatical error. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 14 Aug 17 5.49pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Of course it was.

Honesty is not your strong suit is it comrade.

It was obviously an exclamation. You could just admit you made a grammatical error.

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Aug 17 5.50pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Yeah, you really weren't there - The police in the 80s and early 90s weren't doing so well in their curbing of far right violence - and had a p8ss poor reputation in regards to race. No one trusted them. Not the Left, not the Right, and most certainly not the Black, Indian and Asian British communities. That is not a justification for violence.
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14 Aug 17 5.50pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Yeah, you really weren't there - The police in the 80s and early 90s weren't doing so well in their curbing of far right violence - and had a p8ss poor reputation in regards to race.

No one trusted them. Not the Left, not the Right, and most certainly not the Black, Indian and Asian British communities.

That is not a justification for violence.

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Aug 17 5.53pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 It was obviously an exclamation. You could just admit you made a grammatical error. Actually, I just didn't read the original post. It was a knee jerk to more Gusset cobblers.
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14 Aug 17 5.53pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

It was obviously an exclamation. You could just admit you made a grammatical error.

Actually, I just didn't read the original post.

It was a knee jerk to more Gusset cobblers.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 14 Aug 17 6.08pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 They were having a blue love affair the Police and the Tories but your memory seems to have lapsed about this: In office after 1979, the Thatcher Tories petted the police with special treatment saving them from the attacks on the public sector generally. They were exempt from the wide-ranging public expenditure cuts, and from the New Public Management disciplines that sought to achieve the ‘three E’s’ (efficiency, effectiveness andeconomy). In the face of a wave of urban riots and industrial militancy unprecedented in postwar Britain, public order policing was militarised. There were new toys for the boys in blue: Nato helmets, shields, long truncheons, CS gas, plastic bullets, enhanced legal powers, and a ring-fencing of ‘constabulary independence’ from efforts by Labour controlled local authorities to question militaristic policing Robert Reiner LSE And he hasn't even mentioned the 45% pay rise whilst 1.5million unemployed was becoming 2.5. I remember one of the nastier PCs at Selhurst flashing his Tory membership card. They were aligned the two institutions covering each other's corrupt backs. You and the idiot left are simply anti-police. Yet you would be the first to call them when the mobs that you mythologise and praise attack your property. Edited by hedgehog50 (14 Aug 2017 6.08pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 14 Aug 17 6.08pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

They were having a blue love affair the Police and the Tories but your memory seems to have lapsed about this:

Robert Reiner LSE

You and the idiot left are simply anti-police. Yet you would be the first to call them when the mobs that you mythologise and praise attack your property.

Edited by hedgehog50 (14 Aug 2017 6.08pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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matt_himself Matataland 14 Aug 17 6.18pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 They were having a blue love affair the Police and the Tories but your memory seems to have lapsed about this: In office after 1979, the Thatcher Tories petted the police with special treatment saving them from the attacks on the public sector generally. They were exempt from the wide-ranging public expenditure cuts, and from the New Public Management disciplines that sought to achieve the ‘three E’s’ (efficiency, effectiveness andeconomy). In the face of a wave of urban riots and industrial militancy unprecedented in postwar Britain, public order policing was militarised. There were new toys for the boys in blue: Nato helmets, shields, long truncheons, CS gas, plastic bullets, enhanced legal powers, and a ring-fencing of ‘constabulary independence’ from efforts by Labour controlled local authorities to question militaristic policing Robert Reiner LSE And he hasn't even mentioned the 45% pay rise whilst 1.5million unemployed was becoming 2.5. I remember one of the nastier PCs at Selhurst flashing his Tory membership card. They were aligned the two institutions covering each other's corrupt backs. Why would a policeman flash his Tory Membership card at Selhurst? It doesn't make sense. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 14 Aug 17 6.18pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

They were having a blue love affair the Police and the Tories but your memory seems to have lapsed about this:

Robert Reiner LSE

Why would a policeman flash his Tory Membership card at Selhurst?

It doesn't make sense.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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johnno42000 14 Aug 17 6.22pm
I wonder what some of those criticising the actions we took to stop the scum back then would have done if some of their friends had come into school with bruises all over them, their trainers had been stolen, there was spit in their hair and all this because of the colour of their skin? One lad had his fingers broken by the scum. Lots of other things were done as well. Before anyone says they should have reported it to the Police, guess what, they did and f*ck all was done about it. This wasn't a one off in those days, it happened on a regular basis. Their parents notified the police, the school notified the police, the council notified the police...nothing was done. Several times a group of us would accompany our mates home from school and meet the at the bus stops to travel into school, guess what, the cowardly scum never showed when it was more than one person they had to take on. We all knew who was doing this and told the police, nothing was done and then for those same scum to walk through Lewisham as if they owned the place was too much of a provocation. They needed to be taught a lesson. Not much political about our reasons for being there, just the fact that they needed to be taught a lesson that they could not make other peoples lives a misery. I really don't think many people who weren't around then realise just how bad it was for non-white people around Lewisham and the South East. 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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14 Aug 17 6.22pm

I wonder what some of those criticising the actions we took to stop the scum back then would have done if some of their friends had come into school with bruises all over them, their trainers had been stolen, there was spit in their hair and all this because of the colour of their skin? One lad had his fingers broken by the scum. Lots of other things were done as well.

Before anyone says they should have reported it to the Police, guess what, they did and f*ck all was done about it. This wasn't a one off in those days, it happened on a regular basis. Their parents notified the police, the school notified the police, the council notified the police...nothing was done.

Several times a group of us would accompany our mates home from school and meet the at the bus stops to travel into school, guess what, the cowardly scum never showed when it was more than one person they had to take on.

We all knew who was doing this and told the police, nothing was done and then for those same scum to walk through Lewisham as if they owned the place was too much of a provocation. They needed to be taught a lesson.

Not much political about our reasons for being there, just the fact that they needed to be taught a lesson that they could not make other peoples lives a misery.

I really don't think many people who weren't around then realise just how bad it was for non-white people around Lewisham and the South East.

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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hedgehog50 Croydon 14 Aug 17 6.25pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Why would a policeman flash his Tory Membership card at Selhurst? It doesn't make sense. Of course he is making it up. But all the Croydon MPs and Council were Tories in those days anyway - in the unlikely event of a policeman flashing a Tory membership card at a Croydon crowd then, he would be flashing to the converted. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 14 Aug 17 6.25pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Why would a policeman flash his Tory Membership card at Selhurst?

It doesn't make sense.

Of course he is making it up. But all the Croydon MPs and Council were Tories in those days anyway - in the unlikely event of a policeman flashing a Tory membership card at a Croydon crowd then, he would be flashing to the converted.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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hedgehog50 Croydon 14 Aug 17 6.28pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 I wonder what some of those criticising the actions we took to stop the scum back then would have done if some of their friends had come into school with bruises all over them, their trainers had been stolen, there was spit in their hair and all this because of the colour of their skin? One lad had his fingers broken by the scum. Lots of other things were done as well. Before anyone says they should have reported it to the Police, guess what, they did and f*ck all was done about it. This wasn't a one off in those days, it happened on a regular basis. Their parents notified the police, the school notified the police, the council notified the police...nothing was done. Several times a group of us would accompany our mates home from school and meet the at the bus stops to travel into school, guess what, the cowardly scum never showed when it was more than one person they had to take on. We all knew who was doing this and told the police, nothing was done and then for those same scum to walk through Lewisham as if they owned the place was too much of a provocation. They needed to be taught a lesson. Not much political about our reasons for being there, just the fact that they needed to be taught a lesson that they could not make other peoples lives a misery. I really don't think many people who weren't around then realise just how bad it was for non-white people around Lewisham and the South East. Attacking the police solved all the problems then did it. The silliness of making out these mobs were engaged in some noble action is laughable. Why don't you go on to tell us how worthy it was of the same sort of mobs burning down Reeves Corner in 2011. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 14 Aug 17 6.28pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

Not much political about our reasons for being there, just the fact that they needed to be taught a lesson that they could not make other peoples lives a misery.

I really don't think many people who weren't around then realise just how bad it was for non-white people around Lewisham and the South East.

Attacking the police solved all the problems then did it. The silliness of making out these mobs were engaged in some noble action is laughable. Why don't you go on to tell us how worthy it was of the same sort of mobs burning down Reeves Corner in 2011.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Kermit8 Hevon 14 Aug 17 6.51pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Of course he is making it up. But all the Croydon MPs and Council were Tories in those days anyway - in the unlikely event of a policeman flashing a Tory membership card at a Croydon crowd then, he would be flashing to the converted. No I am not but, of course, it suits your agenda to think otherwise. For those too young to remember there were regular skirmishes between the police and AW mob mostly handbags but they would send in the snatchers quite often. They hated us and we really hated them and Thatcher was hardly flavour of the year amongst the younger generation either but they loved her. Hence, the Tory membership card from his wallet on show. A bit of winding up. Not up close in yer face action but he wasn't making any effort to hide it either. Some of the Met police in them days - the early to mid 80's - were a bit like a paramilitary force on behalf of The Conservative Party. Thugs in uniform a plenty. And they got away with it because they knew they could. Edited by Kermit8 (14 Aug 2017 6.55pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 14 Aug 17 6.51pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

No I am not but, of course, it suits your agenda to think otherwise.

For those too young to remember there were regular skirmishes between the police and AW mob mostly handbags but they would send in the snatchers quite often. They hated us and we really hated them and Thatcher was hardly flavour of the year amongst the younger generation either but they loved her. Hence, the Tory membership card from his wallet on show. A bit of winding up. Not up close in yer face action but he wasn't making any effort to hide it either.
Some of the Met police in them days - the early to mid 80's - were a bit like a paramilitary force on behalf of The Conservative Party. Thugs in uniform a plenty. And they got away with it because they knew they could.

Edited by Kermit8 (14 Aug 2017 6.55pm)

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