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HeathMan Flag Purley 10 Aug 17 1.05pm Send a Private Message to HeathMan Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add HeathMan as a friend

What is British though?

I am thinking about experiencing a common understanding when speaking with another - who lives in the UK - at perhaps a motorway service area over fifty miles from home as one example.

 

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Rubin Flag 10 Aug 17 4.16pm Send a Private Message to Rubin Add Rubin as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

What is British though?

What it's certainly not is FGM, death for apostasy, honour killings, death for/criminalising homosexuality, segregation of genders etc.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 10 Aug 17 4.21pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Oh no...not this again.

I think its a valid question, when we talking about people only being British if they fit within non-legally defined criteria.

To me, anyone who is a British Citizen is British.


 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 10 Aug 17 4.25pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Sigh!

It's the major homogeneous centre within the margins of society.

Yeah but how do you actually define that centre and surely you can contribute to British Culture and society from the fringes of society - isn't that where most of our cultural history originates - such as art, music etc.

I'm not being awkward here or pretentious, I thinking how can someone actually be defined as being British or not British in an manner that can be quantified.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Aug 17 4.30pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think its a valid question, when we talking about people only being British if they fit within non-legally defined criteria.

To me, anyone who is a British Citizen is British.


Well for a deep thinking and intelligent person like you that is a very reductive view. Why do those on the left start hiding behind definitions when we all know what we are talking about.
You can call people what you like but behaviour defines them in the way that matters and in this case, British is what the majority are and the minority aren't.
We are influenced by other cultures all the time but when you have a personal interpretation of what you are, you recognise others who are similar. You can call that British if you like. It doesn't necessarily depend on skin colour or even religion but more about attitude and your personal perception based on your lifetime of experiences.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Aug 2017 4.46pm)

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Aug 17 4.36pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Yeah but how do you actually define that centre and surely you can contribute to British Culture and society from the fringes of society - isn't that where most of our cultural history originates - such as art, music etc.

I'm not being awkward here or pretentious, I thinking how can someone actually be defined as being British or not British in an manner that can be quantified.

The problem here is the definition. 'British' is now meaningless in any real sense. With mass multi culture we are now divided into groups of immigrant communities with those of us who came here hundreds or thousands of years ago still being the majority. The edges may overlap but there are still clearly defined cultures.

 

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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 10 Aug 17 4.43pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

As I suggested. Nationality is becoming less significant in the modern world and certainly in Britain because many migrants are more loyal to their religion and or country of origin than where they have chosen to live.
It takes a concious decision to embrace the culture of the majority in order to become what is accepted as 'British', what ever that is at the time. Many do not, so calling them British is a meaningless label.

Why does an immigrant have the embrace the "culture of the majority"? If they all did that, you'd have nothing to eat except fish 'n' chip and nothing to listen to except Chas 'n' Dave.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Aug 17 4.53pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Why does an immigrant have the embrace the "culture of the majority"? If they all did that, you'd have nothing to eat except fish 'n' chip and nothing to listen to except Chas 'n' Dave.

They don't. But if they want to be recognised as 'one of us' then they need to take steps to fit in.
You can't have it all ways.
I have no intention of embracing undesirable culture brought to Britain by people who have been here for 5 minutes in relative terms.

 

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Direwolf Flag Lincoln 10 Aug 17 5.01pm Send a Private Message to Direwolf Add Direwolf as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

They don't. But if they want to be recognised as 'one of us' then they need to take steps to fit in.
You can't have it all ways.
I have no intention of embracing undesirable culture brought to Britain by people who have been here for 5 minutes in relative terms.

But isn't the problem with such an argument that there isn't 'a one of us'? We are riven with cultural, moral, political, ideological, class and economic divisions.

 

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richard shaw (og)65 Flag my minds eye 10 Aug 17 5.03pm Send a Private Message to richard shaw (og)65 Add richard shaw (og)65 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I get your point, but I don't know how else it can be usefully defined.

Interestingly David Gower was born in India.

It's one of the few semi interesting facts I know.

terry butcher was born in singapore and he literally spilt blood for his country

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 10 Aug 17 5.05pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well for a deep thinking and intelligent person like you that is a very reductive view. Why do those on the left start hiding behind definitions when we all know what we are talking about.
You can call people what you like but behaviour defines them in the way that matters and in this case, British is what the majority are and the minority aren't.
We are influenced by other cultures all the time but when you have a personal interpretation of what you are, you recognise others who are similar. You can call that British if you like. It doesn't necessarily depend on skin colour or even religion but more about attitude and your personal perception based on your lifetime of experiences.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Aug 2017 4.46pm)

Its more because I've been around this a few times and can't come to a fairer definition. So how do we ascertain who the majority are? And why assume that by default any minority is not British, because they hold different views, opinions and attitudes - doesn't that inform the cultural development of what is British.

And how do you ascertain what the majority perceives, thinks or feels - What if in some areas, you're aligned with the majority view, and others your not.

Most people probably think they're in the majority (I don't, by experience I think I'm a minority on a lot of things). But of course having a minority view or perception, doesn't mean that your wrong either - This history of British Law is full of incidents in which the rational argument, despite being unpopular, wins out, and becomes the British Norm.

Wouldn't they be English and working class, which seems a bit unfair to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, as well as the overseas British citizens such as the Falkland Islanders - as they're immediately outside the majority, in their own nation.

What I'm saying, is that the term British in terms of values and culture, gets used a lot, but cannot be reasonably quantified - without accepting irrational values.


 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 10 Aug 17 5.07pm

Originally posted by richard shaw (og)65

terry butcher was born in singapore and he literally spilt blood for his country

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Ha but he didn't metaphorically spill blood for his country, he only played football for England national.

Plenty of people in the Commonwealth fought for the UK in the second world war and weren't British.

 


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