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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Jul 17 8.23pm | |
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Originally posted by wordup
You're think you'd unearthed a religious text. There are many US movies where white Americans play what are 'in the books' non white foreign characters. It doesn't bother me. For uniformity I assume you were outraged? Edited by wordup (16 Jul 2017 8.17pm) That is for practical reasons. THe film has to sell and in the past, people were not keen on non white actors playing leading roles. There are also more white actors. Do I have to repeat myself?
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wordup 16 Jul 17 8.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
True....the books are a different thing to films....license and all that....license to thrill so to speak. I think Idris Elba is a bit old now...He's a talent though....Maybe a one off film. Fassbender or Cavill would be pretty strong....Mind you they are getting on a bit as well....Perhaps it's time for some younger talent. It's an iconic role, as long as they get it right....they did with Craig. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jul 2017 8.19pm) Precisely. Now that you mention it, Fassbender would be a really interesting choice for the role.
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coulsdoneagle London 16 Jul 17 8.26pm | |
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The whole 'Bond is a character by Fleming' argument is pretty far off the mark. Almost every bond on screen has been the creation of the team behind the movies and rarely do they resemble the bond of Fleming. In fact I'd say that Craig is probably the closest in a lot of respects. Either way they clearly don't resemble the bond of the books a lot of the time. One of the major characteristics of bond is that he was brought up in the heart of the establishment and somewhat resents it as he has been an outsider all his life. I think playing around with that idea of a black kid going to Eton in the 80s and not really fitting in with his peers etc could make quite an interesting backstory.
Edited by coulsdoneagle (16 Jul 2017 8.29pm)
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Stirlingsays 16 Jul 17 8.26pm | |
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Originally posted by wordup
Precisely. Now that you mention it, Fassbender would be a really interesting choice for the role. When he's in something that actually requires some acting he's quite impressive. Still, blown away by him in 'Shame', years later.
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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Jul 17 8.30pm | |
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Originally posted by wordup
Precisely. Now that you mention it, Fassbender would be a really interesting choice for the role. The role was once offered to Adam West.
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wordup 16 Jul 17 8.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That is for practical reasons. THe film has to sell and in the past, people were not keen on non white actors playing leading roles. There are also more white actors. Do I have to repeat myself? It's useful that your 'the character has simply got to be 100% true to the book!' hangups make plenty of room for 'there's more of this race of actor'. You're a character I'll give you that.
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Stirlingsays 16 Jul 17 8.32pm | |
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Originally posted by coulsdoneagle
The whole 'Bond is a character by Fleming' argument is pretty far off the mark. Almost every bond on screen has been the creation of the team behind the movies and rarely do they resemble the bond of Fleming. In fact I'd say that Craig is probably the closest in a lot of respects. Either way they clearly don't resemble the bond of the books a lot of the time. One of the major characteristics of bond is that he was brought up in the heart of the establishment and somewhat resents it as he has been an outsider all his life. I think playing around with that idea of a black kid going to Eton in the 80s and not really fitting in with his peers etc could make quite an interesting backstory. I'd like Hardy or Elba, I'd hate the bloke from Homeland or Tom Hiddleston as they would be boring safe choices for bond. Jesus, James Bond is far more interesting than doctor who., I don't agree really.....The character of Bond has drifted off in various films...sometimes more jokey sometimes more serious... but not so much as to say it doesn't matter. Most of the time the productions do actually try.....The Connolly portrayal has had a real influence and Connolly was taking from the book. The skin colour of Bond is something the producers could play with if they wanted. It's dramatic license and needs no more justification than that. As long as the actor warrants it that is what really matters.
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Stirlingsays 16 Jul 17 8.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The role was once offered to Adam West. Adam West would have been interesting.....Kind of a Roger Moore variant I'd imagine.
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wordup 16 Jul 17 8.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
When he's in something that actually requires some acting he's quite impressive. Still, blown away by him in 'Shame', years later. I saw Eden Lake movie on Film4 a few weeks back, one of his first performances and he was the stand out performer in that. The film was a bit depressing mind you. I've not seen Shame yet but definitely will check it out.
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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Jul 17 8.39pm | |
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Originally posted by wordup
It's useful that your 'the character has simply got to be 100% true to the book!' hangups make plenty of room for 'there's more of this race of actor'. You're a character I'll give you that.
I don't follow your reasoning sometimes. Film studios are in the business of making money. They choose their leading actors on the basis of Box office pull.
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coulsdoneagle London 16 Jul 17 8.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I don't agree really.....The character of Bond has drifted off in various films...sometimes more jokey sometimes more serious... but not so much as to say it doesn't matter. Most of the time the productions do actually try.....The Connolly portrayal has had a real influence and Connolly was taking from the book. The skin colour of Bond is something the producers could play with if they wanted. It's dramatic license and needs no more justification than that. As long as the actor warrants it that is what really matters. I agree there are some characteristics that have occurred across all bonds, the suave cool calculated and brilliant man with unbelievable game with the ladies. But the Darker bond of the books the actual personality of the man who is a heavy drinker and smoker and has some very rough edges was completely lost for most of the films after Connery. Roger Moore bears very little resemblance in my eyes and it's almost farcical, fun movies but not really the bond of the books. Dalton was a great bond but probably a little ahead of his times. Brosnan was pretty bland. Fun for the movies but lacked depth. I really like the Craig bond. Casino royal and Skyfall in particular were great iterations. His drinking habits are a damaging coping mechanism and the rage bubbling beneath the surface of this cool exterior were really well played out by Craig. Point is, I don't think being black or white would change a whole lot as long as the bond and the script are well written and the actor does it justice.
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wordup 16 Jul 17 8.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I don't follow your reasoning sometimes. Film studios are in the business of making money. They choose their leading actors on the basis of Box office pull. I was commenting on your 'theres more of this type of race' point, which was a weak point to make for someone so set on accurate retelling - to which my reasoning makes perfect sense. Your other point, is essentially that social engineering for movie and tv roles is fine, or at least a reality, for some reasons - commercial - but not for others. If you want to go down that road though, it may occur to you that what type of on screen social engineering is most profitable at any given moment in time, may not always align well with the quotas or rules that you appear to hold for who is fit to play what role.
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