I don't accept that. This man doesn't represent the average white british man and woman, but a splintered sectarian mentality that has continually railed against anything different to their beliefs of British as being anti-British; Which they use as a means of obtaining political power.

We've had racist violence and sectarianism in the UK for as long as there has been a UK. This is just another example of the small minded ultra-conservative and right wing mentality, seen in both groups like IS, and far right groups, that act to separate and undermine society, and divide people who have far more in common with each other.

We saw it in NI with Sinn Fein and the DUP, the protestant / catholic political divides in Liverpool and Glasgow, and through out the 50s, 60s and 70s along race lines across the UK.

He acted in a rational manner, defined by the kind of hate and casual sectarianism present within certain elements of the media and right wing, that deliberate associate Muslim with terrorism.

Of course not. The man is a f***ing idiot.

Whether you accept it or not, this is a response to Islamist violence against British citizens. There are plenty of other cultures and religions in Britain, so the idea that this is about pure sectarianism is fuzzy. Of course some people just hate anyone different, but we shouldn't try to blur this just to fit some political ideological position. This isn't about 'Jews' or 'Blacks' or 'Asians'. It's about Islamist terrorists and the over simplified associations people make to wider Islam.

Most of us want peaceful a life but those who deal in violence will always be around and some will have sympathy with their actions.

Just as the Irish troubles were essentially caused by migration of Protestants, this is a problem born from the arrival of an 'aggressive' foreign culture and religion. It doesn't matter that most people claim to want to exist without friction. It just doesn't work like that with people in the real world. Religion and culture drives people apart especially when they are designed to be separatist.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 Jun 2017 11.06am)

The problem didn't exist before 2001 at all, and barely before 2003. To just blame immigration is a fallacy, and myopic. Because the culprits here are very complicated indeed, involving geo-political machinations of a number of different foreign powers, the unstable nature of the middle east, UK foreign policy and the utilisation of simplistic sound byte politics used irresponsibly within the media to reduce such arguments down to pandering to dumb f**ks levels.

These kind of actions, are the actions of people who have nothing to offer society but hate, and have no place in a civilised society. Like those who claim attacks in the name of Islam, these people are those who have failed to understand that their failures in life and the alienation, are their own fault.

F**k em all.

Thing is JM IS's "scope" is much wider reaching than that of the apparent imbecile who drove the van. They were targeting Muslims.

IS target anyone who don't subscribe to their brand of fcukwittery even other muslims. So on that level at least it is very different.

Was the British Empire a good thing or a bad thing?

Edited by legaleagle (19 Jun 2017 11.17am)

whats your point ?