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DanH Flag SW2 04 May 17 5.07pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Your attitude is pretty much all that is needed to prove the reality of the title post.

Higher suicide in males is a biological reality of being a male. Look into it.

Masculinity and femininity are part social construct but they are also facets of nature to more or lesser extent in every individual.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 May 2017 9.11pm)

And what is 'my attitude'?

So, to clarify, because males historically have high rates of suicide we should just accept it and move on? Mental health awareness has increased amazingly in the last few years and hopefully this will lead to a reduction over the years to come.

I've seen people very close to me really struggle because they haven't opened up about their feelings because it's not the 'manly' thing to do. So f*ck this historical notion of how a man should and should not act.

And in my experience, the more 'masculine' a guy acts, the more issues and insecurities they are hiding underneath the surface. Take dannyh for example.

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 04 May 17 5.18pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

There is a lot to be said for just being yourself, bigging up yer self-esteem, and fvck to anyone who has a problem with that. Being like Boy George then.

Edited by Kermit8 (04 May 2017 5.21pm)

 


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DanH Flag SW2 04 May 17 5.30pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

There is a lot to be said for just being yourself, bigging up yer self-esteem, and fvck to anyone who has a problem with that. Being like Boy George then.

Edited by Kermit8 (04 May 2017 5.21pm)

'Be yourself' is the best advice someone can have I think. Well, other than 'Don't be a C*nt'.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 May 17 5.35pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Isn't this an indication of how divorced from reality your take on this is?

Not really, its fictional - None of Vikings really is all that historically accurate. Its why its good and fun.

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Shield maidens were a very very very very tiny number of women and that's if they ever existed at all. There is no actual proof of them. If they did they were probably very rarely the equal of men in actual combat.

Probably very true, but its fiction. Likely the stories of shield maidens are more about the mythology and experiences maybe of people who attacked settlements when the men were absent - and its likely that women had to protect their holdings - as well as fend off things like wolves etc.

Of course Spartan women were noted for their ferocity by the Athenians (largely because of a shortage of men caused by military camapaigns, Spartan women, boys, slaves and old men were likely to have to fight). And of course its also as likely that this myth was perpetuated for the same reason that the Spartans questioned the sexual proclivities of the Athenians.

Also its likely that if there were shield maidens they would have used spears, rather than swords, as its a more practical weapon for a woman.

Plus the idea of female warriors kind of fits with their mythology and the Valkyries. Of course its not beyond the realm of possibility that there were some warrior women (Boudica) but I suspect the truth is more a propaganda about how easy it is to defeat 'the Britons' that even our women can best them.

Originally posted by Stirlingsays
In popular culture they have been hugely over blown....In part to satisfy the urges for unreality of blokes like your good self.

Yet here you mock the 300. That's an actual real event we are pretty sure about that must of involved much masculinity.

Well except for the number 300, which is a massive disservice to the 700 Thespians and the 400 Thebans who also fought and died.

And of course the fact that the Spartans didn't fight individually, but were reknown for the Phalanx, and their use of armour, rather than baby oil. The Spartans were very pro-military - they produced armour for all their warriors, as opposed to the Athenian tradition of a warrior equipping themselves.

What did happen, is that they were all lead by a Spartan king, who died there. It was also fairly insignificant in terms of the Persian war, other than being propaganda of heroism. But it does have the glory of free men and tragedy that the far more important battle of Salamis doesn't (because the Greeks used the terrain, and won in what kind of amounted to a cunning massacre...).

Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Whether the Spartans were actually f-cking each other is besides the point...It's another area of debate...Though it must be remembered that reproduction in Sparta was enforced...Like most things.

Fiction, best enjoyed as fiction. Almost every portrayal of battle in the dark and medieval period is unrealistic because its not great for cinematography. Armies fought in formation, armour, and the less sexy weapons with reach were the most significant.


 


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Michaelawt85 Flag Bexley 04 May 17 5.36pm Send a Private Message to Michaelawt85 Add Michaelawt85 as a friend

Originally posted by DanH


And in my experience, the more 'masculine' a guy acts, the more issues and insecurities they are hiding underneath the surface. Take dannyh for example.

Wow!
Is that meant to be a bit of a joke ? Walk a mile in another man's shoes and all that. I know some of what he's been through and I am bloody glad I haven't had to tred his path of life. How someone posts online and how they are in real life are two very different things. No need for that

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 04 May 17 5.40pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

Wow!
Is that meant to be a bit of a joke ? Walk a mile in another man's shoes and all that. I know some of what he's been through and I am bloody glad I haven't had to tred his path of life. How someone posts online and how they are in real life are two very different things. No need for that


S'alright The Two D's have a mutual understanding and have been bromancing for years. Lots of bendering/homoeroticism/macho posturing. I hope to be a bridesmaid.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 May 17 5.41pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Most women want a man to be a man and not a violent, sexist pig nor a baggy trousered ballet enthusiast.

If you can manage that balance, which is not difficult, you'll be ok.

I think, women like men, have no real idea what they want, and tend to make do with what's available.

Sexist pigs, violent thugs, and assorted c**ts of the ilk of unattractive personalities, are generally dislikeable by both genders.

Male ballet dancers, do seem to be very popular with women

 


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Michaelawt85 Flag Bexley 04 May 17 5.42pm Send a Private Message to Michaelawt85 Add Michaelawt85 as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8


S'alright The Two D's have a mutual understanding and have been bromancing for years. Lots of bendering/homoeroticism/macho posturing. I hope to be a bridesmaid.

Like a sort of prolonged foreplay

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 May 17 5.46pm

Originally posted by DanH

'Be yourself' is the best advice someone can have I think. Well, other than 'Don't be a C*nt'.



Don't worry what other people think of you, or pay to much attention to what you think of yourself. Its all bollocks, you're just an ordinary man, making their way in the world.

But try not to be a c**t, and treat people how you'd want to be treated in return.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 May 17 5.47pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

There is a lot to be said for just being yourself, bigging up yer self-esteem, and fvck to anyone who has a problem with that. Being like Boy George then.

Edited by Kermit8 (04 May 2017 5.21pm)

Back then, it took a lot of more balls to be out and proud like that.

 


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DanH Flag SW2 04 May 17 5.48pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

Wow!
Is that meant to be a bit of a joke ? Walk a mile in another man's shoes and all that. I know some of what he's been through and I am bloody glad I haven't had to tred his path of life. How someone posts online and how they are in real life are two very different things. No need for that

Yeah just to clarify it was very much a joke. We love each other really

 

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Michaelawt85 Flag Bexley 04 May 17 5.51pm Send a Private Message to Michaelawt85 Add Michaelawt85 as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

But try not to be a c**t, and treat people how you'd want to be treated in return.

Noble sentiments Jamie but this is where about 90% of the human race falls down sadly

 


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