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Phil H 03 Mar 17 12.26pm
I totally agree with this and can't understand why football is so far behind other sports. Almost every wicket in cricket they check for no-ball; the basic legality of the wicket. Every goal should be routinely checked for offside. The Gabbiadini incident was a shocker. Penalties are less clear-cut but the idea is not to create a perfect world, just eliminate the howlers.
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03 Mar 17 12.26pm

I totally agree with this and can't understand why football is so far behind other sports. Almost every wicket in cricket they check for no-ball; the basic legality of the wicket. Every goal should be routinely checked for offside. The Gabbiadini incident was a shocker. Penalties are less clear-cut but the idea is not to create a perfect world, just eliminate the howlers.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Mar 17 12.29pm
Originally posted by Username Whilst it is far from perfect, and plenty of people moan about it, in both NFL and Cricket there is the concept of the 'on field call' or 'umpires call' when it comes to teams challenging decisions. In the event of a close decision which isn't absolutely nailed on, the decision stays as it was called orginally if the TV evidence isn't conclusive. There has to be conclusive proof that a decision was incorrect. So for example, if teams had one challenge per game then we could potentially have challenge Snodgrass' penalty and Southampton could have challenged the Gabbiadini offside. In more debateable situations, Wilf on Saturday for example, the call would remain the same. The added impact of these to me, is not only to fix obviously bad decisions, but also empower and encourage referees to make calls in the first place. It lessens the need for a referee to feel like he's playing it safe? In cricket, in terms of an LBW an umpire makes a decision and then it is reviewed if challenged.He doesn't fall back on technology each and every time he believes that it COULD be LBW. Different for 'Run-Outs' for example, when umpires will call for technology if it is a close-call. When one considers the use of technology in football, a number of thoughts enter one's mind ie Manager challenges, when should a referee call for the video,should a 5th official advise the referee during the game, what should he call it for etc etc etc. Can get quite detailed and complicated but interesting all the same. As they say "The devil lies in the detail". Edited by Willo (03 Mar 2017 12.51pm)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Mar 17 12.29pm

Originally posted by Username

Whilst it is far from perfect, and plenty of people moan about it, in both NFL and Cricket there is the concept of the 'on field call' or 'umpires call' when it comes to teams challenging decisions.

In the event of a close decision which isn't absolutely nailed on, the decision stays as it was called orginally if the TV evidence isn't conclusive.

There has to be conclusive proof that a decision was incorrect.

So for example, if teams had one challenge per game then we could potentially have challenge Snodgrass' penalty and Southampton could have challenged the Gabbiadini offside. In more debateable situations, Wilf on Saturday for example, the call would remain the same.

The added impact of these to me, is not only to fix obviously bad decisions, but also empower and encourage referees to make calls in the first place.

It lessens the need for a referee to feel like he's playing it safe?

In cricket, in terms of an LBW an umpire makes a decision and then it is reviewed if challenged.He doesn't fall back on technology each and every time he believes that it COULD be LBW.

Different for 'Run-Outs' for example, when umpires will call for technology if it is a close-call.

When one considers the use of technology in football, a number of thoughts enter one's mind ie Manager challenges, when should a referee call for the video,should a 5th official advise the referee during the game, what should he call it for etc etc etc. Can get quite detailed and complicated but interesting all the same.
As they say "The devil lies in the detail".

Edited by Willo (03 Mar 2017 12.51pm)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Mar 17 12.36pm
Originally posted by Phil H I totally agree with this and can't understand why football is so far behind other sports. Almost every wicket in cricket they check for no-ball; the basic legality of the wicket. Every goal should be routinely checked for offside. The Gabbiadini incident was a shocker. Penalties are less clear-cut but the idea is not to create a perfect world, just eliminate the howlers. You cannot be offside from a corner or if the ball is cut-back to a player who scores so why check for offside in these circumstances ? Maybe a case of availing of technology/5th referee for "Interfering with opponent" etc etc when a goal is scored eg Player in offside position affecting sightline of goalkeeper. So much to consider regarding technology !
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South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Mar 17 12.36pm

Originally posted by Phil H

I totally agree with this and can't understand why football is so far behind other sports. Almost every wicket in cricket they check for no-ball; the basic legality of the wicket. Every goal should be routinely checked for offside. The Gabbiadini incident was a shocker. Penalties are less clear-cut but the idea is not to create a perfect world, just eliminate the howlers.

You cannot be offside from a corner or if the ball is cut-back to a player who scores so why check for offside in these circumstances ? Maybe a case of availing of technology/5th referee for "Interfering with opponent" etc etc when a goal is scored eg Player in offside position affecting sightline of goalkeeper.
So much to consider regarding technology !

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We are goin up! Coulsdon 03 Mar 17 12.43pm
Originally posted by Part Time James Wasn't it Wilf going over in the box (not saying a dive by the way) that relegated Peterborough from the Championship? Or have I dreamt up some fantastical scenario that didn't happen? Foul in Gabbidon. But that was absolutely hilarious, that knobhead Durham on TalkSport had started a campaign: #NoMorePensForPalace Then we relegated his team, with a penalty. Glorious. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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Originally posted by Part Time James

Wasn't it Wilf going over in the box (not saying a dive by the way) that relegated Peterborough from the Championship? Or have I dreamt up some fantastical scenario that didn't happen?

Foul in Gabbidon. But that was absolutely hilarious, that knobhead Durham on TalkSport had started a campaign: #NoMorePensForPalace

Then we relegated his team, with a penalty. Glorious.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Phil H 03 Mar 17 1.30pm
Originally posted by Willo You cannot be offside from a corner or if the ball is cut-back to a player who scores so why check for offside in these circumstances ? Maybe a case of availing of technology/5th referee for "Interfering with opponent" etc etc when a goal is scored eg Player in offside position affecting sightline of goalkeeper. So much to consider regarding technology ! I'm not suggesting changing the rules of the game. It's just that, in the modern era of Hawkeye it shouldn't be possible for a goal to be allowed from an offside position - or given offside when not. Regarding penalties - fifth official to review a decision made. And give a manager two calls per game for fifth official to query decisions not given when the ball next goes out of play. There! couldn't be simpler.
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Phil H

03 Mar 17 1.30pm

Originally posted by Willo

I'm not suggesting changing the rules of the game. It's just that, in the modern era of Hawkeye it shouldn't be possible for a goal to be allowed from an offside position - or given offside when not.
Regarding penalties - fifth official to review a decision made. And give a manager two calls per game for fifth official to query decisions not given when the ball next goes out of play.
There! couldn't be simpler.

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Part Time James 03 Mar 17 1.34pm
I'd like to see yellow and red cards awarded in hindsight as well, even if the ref did see it. Especially for diving. If a player got a penalty for diving and a review panel decided it's a dive then they ought to pick up a ban. And don't say they couldn't reach a decision. Reds and yellows get overturned based on a review so why not awarded on appeal too?
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03 Mar 17 1.34pm

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I'd like to see yellow and red cards awarded in hindsight as well, even if the ref did see it. Especially for diving. If a player got a penalty for diving and a review panel decided it's a dive then they ought to pick up a ban.

And don't say they couldn't reach a decision. Reds and yellows get overturned based on a review so why not awarded on appeal too?

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stuckinbristol In the woodwork. 03 Mar 17 2.42pm
Originally posted by Bexley Eagle I assume that would be as an opposing manager given that Pulis had left before Jimmy Mc had signed? Ok, maybe got the wrong manager, my memory is st at the best of times, but I'm still sure that Jimmy and another player both got a telling off for diving in the same game...or maybe my memory is completely st!!
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Originally posted by Bexley Eagle

I assume that would be as an opposing manager given that Pulis had left before Jimmy Mc had signed?

Ok, maybe got the wrong manager, my memory is s**t at the best of times, but I'm still sure that Jimmy and another player both got a telling off for diving in the same game...or maybe my memory is completely s**t!!

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alaneagle1 Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 03 Mar 17 3.09pm
Originally posted by Phil H I'm not suggesting changing the rules of the game. It's just that, in the modern era of Hawkeye it shouldn't be possible for a goal to be allowed from an offside position - or given offside when not. Regarding penalties - fifth official to review a decision made. And give a manager two calls per game for fifth official to query decisions not given when the ball next goes out of play. There! couldn't be simpler. The offside rule nowadays makes it very difficult for the ref and the linesman. If you have ever tried running the line you will see. Bertrand was offside but Gabbiadini was not. But was Bertrand interfering with play.? De Gea would have known he was there. The old rule was better IMO. Palace 13th 2017/18.
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Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 03 Mar 17 3.09pm

Originally posted by Phil H

The offside rule nowadays makes it very difficult for the ref and the linesman.
If you have ever tried running the line you will see.
Bertrand was offside but Gabbiadini was not.
But was Bertrand interfering with play.?
De Gea would have known he was there.
The old rule was better IMO.

Palace 13th 2017/18.

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Selhurstboys Basel 04 Mar 17 7.40am
I would go as far as saying nothaving video technology is slowly bring the game into disrepute. There are too many bad decisions being let.standing and the build up will eventually turn people off the sport.
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Basel 04 Mar 17 7.40am

I would go as far as saying nothaving video technology is slowly bring the game into disrepute. There are too many bad decisions being let.standing and the build up will eventually turn people off the sport.

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Midlands Eagle 04 Mar 17 8.31am
Originally posted by Selhurstboys I would go as far as saying nothaving video technology is slowly bring the game into disrepute. There are too many bad decisions being let.standing and the build up will eventually turn people off the sport. Are you saying that if too many wrong decisions affect Palace that you would stop supporting them? It's not surprising that football is slow to adopt modern technology as the game is run by dinosaurs anyway so what do you expect
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Originally posted by Selhurstboys

Are you saying that if too many wrong decisions affect Palace that you would stop supporting them?

It's not surprising that football is slow to adopt modern technology as the game is run by dinosaurs anyway so what do you expect

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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 04 Mar 17 11.09am
Originally posted by stuckinbristol Ok, maybe got the wrong manager, my memory is st at the best of times, but I'm still sure that Jimmy and another player both got a telling off for diving in the same game...or maybe my memory is completely st!! Your memory is OK, I remember it vividly. One of the worst, most inept attempts at a dive I've ever seen. Clearly the work of a player who's never done something like that before.
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Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 04 Mar 17 11.09am

Originally posted by stuckinbristol

Your memory is OK, I remember it vividly. One of the worst, most inept attempts at a dive I've ever seen. Clearly the work of a player who's never done something like that before.

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Phil H 04 Mar 17 11.00pm
Originally posted by Selhurstboys I would go as far as saying nothaving video technology is slowly bring the game into disrepute. There are too many bad decisions being let.standing and the build up will eventually turn people off the sport. Yes.Did you see Anthony Taylor's ridiculous award of a penalty today to Burnley v Swansea when a Burnley player (Vokes) handled? Video technology would never allow that penalty to be awarded. The whole thing's a joke. Even Wimbledon tennis is ahead of the Premier League.
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04 Mar 17 11.00pm

Originally posted by Selhurstboys

Yes.Did you see Anthony Taylor's ridiculous award of a penalty today to Burnley v Swansea when a Burnley player (Vokes) handled? Video technology would never allow that penalty to be awarded. The whole thing's a joke. Even Wimbledon tennis is ahead of the Premier League.

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