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 the silurian  The garden of England.(not really) 05 Mar 17 6.19pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
I have seen the incident.There was a 'Freeze frame' and all I could see was the ball next to the arm of a Swansea player. Also there were so many bodies in a short space and from the referees view it was a white shirt which handled hence the penalty. If the referee had the benefit of TV replays in 'Slow-Mo' then he would have reacted differently.Yes we all know about the decision but it certainly wasn't a "Joke". Im sorry Willo but that is total hogwash, piffle and bull****!!! From MOTD coverage it was VERY obvious it was a Burnley player handling it, for a start Swansea players had long sleeve WHITE shirts, the handball was a BARE arm (with a Burnley shirt attached to the top of it)but I suppose with the generally awful standard of refereeing today we have to accept it, just as Ibrahimovics elbow was purely an accidental attempt to maim Mings in the other game!!! Both decisions were most certainly 'a joke'!
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Mar 17 6.26pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Im sorry Willo but that is total hogwash, piffle and bull****!!! From MOTD coverage it was VERY obvious it was a Burnley player handling it, for a start Swansea players had long sleeve WHITE shirts, the handball was a BARE arm (with a Burnley shirt attached to the top of it)but I suppose with the generally awful standard of refereeing today we have to accept it, just as Ibrahimovics elbow was purely an accidental attempt to maim Mings in the other game!!! Both decisions were most certainly 'a joke'! I never saw MOTD nor did the referee have such assistance if it was so conclusive ! I saw a clip on 'Goals on Sunday' and I saw the ball very close to a white shirt which of course is a Swansea shirt.All about the angle of the referee and what he sees when players are in very close proximity.A referee only gives what he sees and he has NO help from any TV 'Slow-Mos' and makes split-second decisions. All very well to say it was a bad decision when one has seen it on TV.
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 05 Mar 17 6.35pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
I never saw MOTD nor did the referee have such assistance if it was so conclusive ! I saw a clip on 'Goals on Sunday' and I saw the ball very close to a white shirt which of course is a Swansea shirt.All about the angle of the referee and what he sees when players are in very close proximity.A referee only gives what he sees and he has NO help from any TV 'Slow-Mos' and makes split-second decisions. All very well to say it was a bad decision when one has seen it on TV. Ok OK i give up, talking to you about referees is like arguing with porridge! You will NEVER admit for one minute that a referee got it wrong, you ALWAYS give various reasons why he may have seen it differently to 99.9% of the rest of the viewing public..OK if they are not up to it, and I can understand why they may not be, due to age lack of fitness etc etc, then they need technology to help them. I can also understand why they dont want it, because it would show up their incompetence (and I do hope it is incompetence, rather than something more sinister).
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Mar 17 6.44pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Ok OK i give up, talking to you about referees is like arguing with porridge! You will NEVER admit for one minute that a referee got it wrong, you ALWAYS give various reasons why he may have seen it differently to 99.9% of the rest of the viewing public..OK if they are not up to it, and I can understand why they may not be, due to age lack of fitness etc etc, then they need technology to help them. I can also understand why they dont want it, because it would show up their incompetence (and I do hope it is incompetence, rather than something more sinister). With respect I HAVE said on numerous occasions that referees are only human and err from time to time as do managers and players. I have also said quite a few times that I try to see things from a referee's perspective to try and understand why he/she made a decision and this is what I bring to the debate on HOL. There are lot of terrific referees after they have viewed TV 'Slow-Mos' from a plethora of angles !!!!
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 05 Mar 17 6.50pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
With respect I HAVE said on numerous occasions that referees are only human and err from time to time as do managers and players. I have also said quite a few times that I try to see things from a referee's perspective to try and understand why he/she made a decision and this is what I bring to the debate on HOL. There are lot of terrific referees after they have viewed TV 'Slow-Mos' from a plethora of angles !!!! Oh look I forgot I wasnt going to post!!
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Mar 17 7.22pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Oh look I forgot I wasnt going to post!! What I am saying is that referees cannot get EVERY decision correct, nor can we expect this of managers and players. When I have felt that a referee has got a contentious decision 100% right, I have given my honest assessment even though others vehemiently disagree - I don't take an alternative viewpoint just to be provocative or to stimulate a fiesty debate on here.Seemingly there are those on here who believe I adopt a position of 'Agent provocateur' just to raise hackles when nothing could be further from the truth. At the end of the day I assess decisions from the point of view of the referee/assistant to try and understand why decisions were made or not made.Some seem baffling to the general public but then again the vast majority don't have any experience of refereeing/lining to understand the complexities involved.
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batcountry  Melbourne 05 Mar 17 7.40pm |
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When discussing referee error you cant just trot out the same plethora of reasons why they dekcuf up. They don't all apply to every situation. Narrow it down to individual cases and tell it like it is.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Mar 17 7.52pm |
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Originally posted by batcountry
When discussing referee error you cant just trot out the same plethora of reasons why they dekcuf up. They don't all apply to every situation. Narrow it down to individual cases and tell it like it is. With respect, I DO "Narrow it down.." as I have discussed specific incidents and tried to see these individual incidents from the referee's perspective. Indeed some decisions appear "Inexplicable" but there is always a reason and often a very plausible explanation. Very fast-moving scenarios, split-second decisions, sight-lines, varying types of incidents in terms of angles and force, player simulation etc etc etc - Is it any wonder that referees err from time to time ? Edited by Willo (05 Mar 2017 7.55pm)
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 05 Mar 17 8.09pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
What I am saying is that referees cannot get EVERY decision correct, nor can we expect this of managers and players. When I have felt that a referee has got a contentious decision 100% right, I have given my honest assessment even though others vehemiently disagree - I don't take an alternative viewpoint just to be provocative or to stimulate a fiesty debate on here.Seemingly there are those on here who believe I adopt a position of 'Agent provocateur' just to raise hackles when nothing could be further from the truth. At the end of the day I assess decisions from the point of view of the referee/assistant to try and understand why decisions were made or not made.Some seem baffling to the general public but then again the vast majority don't have any experience of refereeing/lining to understand the complexities involved.
Edited by the silurian (05 Mar 2017 8.11pm)
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Mar 17 8.29pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Edited by the silurian (05 Mar 2017 8.11pm) I have consistently stated that referees err from time to time, how many more times do I have to type this ? It is NOT difficult for me to say this as this is fact and it would be ridiculous of me to say otherwise. One can disect individual decisions but let's have some balance.I have witnessed some brilliant 'Tight' calls by assistants, some terrific refereeing decisions but are these highlighted ? Are they hell. I have clapped some excellent decisions either at a ground or in front of the television but these never get a mention at all.
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chateauferret  05 Mar 17 8.31pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
I have consistently stated that referees err from time to time, how many more times do I have to type this ? It is NOT difficult for me to say this as this is fact and it would be ridiculous of me to say otherwise. One can disect individual decisions but let's have some balance.I have witnessed some brilliant 'Tight' calls by assistants, some terrific refereeing decisions but are these highlighted ? Are they hell. I have clapped some excellent decisions either at a ground or in front of the television but these never get a mention at all. The point is not that referees err frim time to time (although the wording I would use is "they f*** up constantly" ). The point is that it's not acceptable. Edited by chateauferret (05 Mar 2017 8.33pm)
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Mar 17 8.40pm |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
The point is not that referees err frim time to time (although the wording I would use is "they f*** up constantly" ). The point is that it's not acceptable. Edited by chateauferret (05 Mar 2017 8.33pm) So you expect them to be right 100% of the time ? And whilst they do make mistakes, I do NOT accept that they are "Serial offenders", constantly making bad decisions throughout a game on a regular basis. Of course there will be contentious issues but a referee never purposely makes a decision he knows to be wrong and he doesn't have the benefit of technology to assist him/her.Overall our referees do a darned good job in difficult circumstances.Rest assured this is my HONEST view and NOT designed as any sort of provocation on HOL. Edited by Willo (05 Mar 2017 8.40pm)
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