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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 20 Feb 17 10.39pm |
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I'd say the hippies did more good than any coked up city traders.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Feb 17 5.02am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Who suggests that - people who are stoned? Edited by hedgehog50 (20 Feb 2017 8.51pm) This is kind of true. Most of the IT revolution was built on students of the sixties and seventies who became the experts and lecturers of the 80s and 90s. The silicon valley generation were heavily influenced by counter culture movements. Not hippies per we but elements associated to that greater movement. Steve Jobs was one of them, a big fan of LSD apparently
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 21 Feb 17 7.53am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
This is kind of true. Most of the IT revolution was built on students of the sixties and seventies who became the experts and lecturers of the 80s and 90s. The silicon valley generation were heavily influenced by counter culture movements. Not hippies per we but elements associated to that greater movement. Steve Jobs was one of them, a big fan of LSD apparently Having worked in the IT industry from the 70s onwards, I can say that the people I worked with were far removed from the hippie counter-culture. Of course some people would affect some aspects of hippiedom in the 1970s as a commercialised version of it became fashionable, eg: musicals like 'Hair' with Princess Anne attending a performance and dancing on the stage. Similarly, Princess Margaret slumming it on rural communes. Not to mention a letter to the Times advocating legalisation of marijuana signed by rich liberal luvvies.
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  Hrolf The Ganger 21 Feb 17 12.59pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
This is kind of true. Most of the IT revolution was built on students of the sixties and seventies who became the experts and lecturers of the 80s and 90s. The silicon valley generation were heavily influenced by counter culture movements. Not hippies per we but elements associated to that greater movement. Steve Jobs was one of them, a big fan of LSD apparently What is this "movement? Is it the stoners version of the Illuminati? I think you make far too much of youth culture and counter culture. It's like revising 60's London to be something out of Austin Powers. It was never like that and only a tiny minority of people did drugs and lived in tents. The vast majority of people were square, worked all day and listened to Engelbert Humperdink.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Feb 17 1.55pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What is this "movement? Is it the stoners version of the Illuminati? I think you make far too much of youth culture and counter culture. It's like revising 60's London to be something out of Austin Powers. It was never like that and only a tiny minority of people did drugs and lived in tents. The vast majority of people were square, worked all day and listened to Engelbert Humperdink. Movements - The category of hippie seems to include everything from the fabulous furry freak brothers total waster 'dude' types right through to very serious academics (such as the Feminist movement in social sciences). You also had writers, artists, comic books, music, occultists, philosophers as well as social activists, celebrities, movie makers and actors that all tied into that whole perception. You even had scientists (which isn't that unusual, a number of key Physicists from a previous generation had been students of Crowley) The key thing about the 'hippies' is really that that's where all of these different groups came togeather.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Feb 17 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Having worked in the IT industry from the 70s onwards, I can say that the people I worked with were far removed from the hippie counter-culture. Of course some people would affect some aspects of hippiedom in the 1970s as a commercialised version of it became fashionable, eg: musicals like 'Hair' with Princess Anne attending a performance and dancing on the stage. Similarly, Princess Margaret slumming it on rural communes. Not to mention a letter to the Times advocating legalisation of marijuana signed by rich liberal luvvies. I was thinking more in terms of the Universities and academia rather than the industry. I wouldn't say they were hippies, but that people like Marshall McLuhan had an appeal to both 'hippies' and the pioneers in IT research and technologies (more than some 'long hairs' found themselves working for NASA). The important thing in this, though isn't the hippies, but the cross pollination of ideas, theories and ways of looking at the world. Its not that unusual, Jack Parsons was a world reknown rocket scientist, and serious student of Aleister Crowley and the occult.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 21 Feb 17 2.28pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I was thinking more in terms of the Universities and academia rather than the industry. I wouldn't say they were hippies, but that people like Marshall McLuhan had an appeal to both 'hippies' and the pioneers in IT research and technologies (more than some 'long hairs' found themselves working for NASA). The important thing in this, though isn't the hippies, but the cross pollination of ideas, theories and ways of looking at the world. Its not that unusual, Jack Parsons was a world reknown rocket scientist, and serious student of Aleister Crowley and the occult. I think it's fair to say that the post war generation enjoyed a freedom, social mobility and education that was restricted to the few in previous generations. This lead to youth culture and associated attitudes. As a lack of respect for establishment and a general skepticism grew, governments were being exposed as untrustworthy and we had the resulting general mistrust of all authority. I think the whole science and technology thing was inevitable in any case. There have always been exceptional people. Drug taking types who share unusual ideas is really nothing new either. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Feb 2017 2.33pm)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Feb 17 2.41pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I think it's fair to say that the post war generation enjoyed a freedom, social mobility and education that was restricted to the few in previous generations. This lead to youth culture and associated attitudes. As a lack of respect for establishment and a general skepticism grew, governments were being exposed as untrustworthy and we had the resulting general mistrust of all authority. I think the whole science and technology thing was inevitable in any case. There have always been exceptional people. Drug taking types who share unusual ideas is really nothing new either. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Feb 2017 2.33pm) The drug element is largely inconsequential I think - I think its something a lot of people found in common, but ultimately, they might be better seen in that light (ie something in common that brings different groups of people togeather, and then they share ideas). New ideas, tend to proliferate through exposure to other ideas. I never really thought much about feminism, until I studied Feminist Theory in psychology and saw more than just the women's movement for equal rights. The development of critical social psychology, which has a massive feminist influence, is as important to the understanding of Mind as Freud was in the 1900s.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Feb 17 2.44pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I think it's fair to say that the post war generation enjoyed a freedom, social mobility and education that was restricted to the few in previous generations. This lead to youth culture and associated attitudes. As a lack of respect for establishment and a general skepticism grew, governments were being exposed as untrustworthy and we had the resulting general mistrust of all authority. I think the whole science and technology thing was inevitable in any case. There have always been exceptional people. Drug taking types who share unusual ideas is really nothing new either. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Feb 2017 2.33pm) Interestingly, the US first two big surges in 'heroin' use, are after WWI and WWII, and largely involved veterans who discovered the recreational properties of morphine and diamorphine, whilst serving in the military and spread that recreation. Some as a result of injuries (and being treated with opiates), others as a result of being introduced to opiates by those people and others as a means of alleviating boredom and stress during the war. Both the 20s and the 50s in the UK and US saw big spikes in opiate abuse.
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L.E.Eagle  21 Feb 17 2.45pm |
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I lived as a hippie for 2 weeks once. It was cool man. Hippies are alright by me.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Feb 17 2.51pm |
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Originally posted by L.E.Eagle
I lived as a hippie for 2 weeks once. It was cool man. Hippies are alright by me. Hippies where traditionally very anti-opiates. Downers are a bad scene man.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 21 Feb 17 3.06pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Interestingly, the US first two big surges in 'heroin' use, are after WWI and WWII, and largely involved veterans who discovered the recreational properties of morphine and diamorphine, whilst serving in the military and spread that recreation. Some as a result of injuries (and being treated with opiates), others as a result of being introduced to opiates by those people and others as a means of alleviating boredom and stress during the war. Both the 20s and the 50s in the UK and US saw big spikes in opiate abuse. Strangely many great ideas,discoveries and even new religions have been attributed to dreams,visions and visitations. Drugs might have played a part there.
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