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mattteo 09 Jan 17 11.24am | |
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Originally posted by Goal Machine
How many full backs can you name who have had 10-12 goals/assists in a season? Unless you're the penalty taker (Baines/Unsworth/Irwin) it's not easy.
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spartakev2 Anerley 09 Jan 17 1.46pm | |
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Originally posted by mattteo
You seem to be the only one who doesn't like him. Played well whenever I've seen him. For me, a Welsh international, who is only kept out of the spurs team by danny rose and only 23....yes please.amazes me that some fans see players like this are not good enough for little old palace...
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 09 Jan 17 2.18pm | |
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Originally posted by spartakev2
You seem to be the only one who doesn't like him. Played well whenever I've seen him. For me, a Welsh international, who is only kept out of the spurs team by danny rose and only 23....yes please.amazes me that some fans see players like this are not good enough for little old palace... matteo would do well to remember the adage Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital
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CrazyBadger Ware 09 Jan 17 2.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Hudsoneagle
That's not the bloody point though is it! We are scoring goals! That isn't the problem. We need to make the defence less leaky. I don't even think a LB is the problem personally I think it is centre mid but this thread is about Ben Davies and with regards to him I'd say yes sign him he's better than Papa and he's better than Ward so he'd be our best full back. Simple. We haven't been scoring many goals recently though, have we? so perhaps with a different system/Manager, we need a new way to transition defence into attack. get him on board.
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Hudsoneagle 09 Jan 17 3.29pm | |
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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
We haven't been scoring many goals recently though, have we? so perhaps with a different system/Manager, we need a new way to transition defence into attack. get him on board. Actually what I have been saying is that I keenly support the idea of signing Ben Davies and Matteo has said he doesn't think he is good enough offensively...I actually would prefer to have Ben Davies at the club than an unknown because I just feel the defense needs to click asap. I understand the point Matteo is making but the plain truth is that if a better player was available that we could afford and was available for transfer right now then wouldn't we be in for him??? Even taking Matteo's vast superior knowledge of players I would still think the club know having spoke to agents who is and who isn't available and at what price.
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Nobbybm Dartford 09 Jan 17 3.31pm | |
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SA's track record seems to show he'll play 2 DM's or even 1 + another defender in front of the back 4 until such time as they look like a capable unit. Then 1 of the DM's will go. I can see this being the case with us if he can get a couple of signings in & Jimmy Mac back in the side.
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mattteo 09 Jan 17 4.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
matteo would do well to remember the adage Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital
Defensively....it's about watching matches. I have watched many of them. It's difficult to say who is better at tackling, who recovers more. I don't have these statistics. You could go to whoscored and read some there, but even they aren't that trustworthy. I just can't agree that Konstantin Rausch and Fabio Coentrao can't tackle as well as Davies. I've seen Davies play and I just wasn't impressed. He stood well in defence but didn't strike me as an awesome tackler. Years ago, when Pocchetino was enamored with Ben Davies and bought him from Swansea, I said that Danny Rose is the best English left back and actually third in the world, only behind Marcelo and maybe Alba/Alaba. People laughed and called me Rudolph, told me I have a red nose They said that Rose is not good enough, that Ben Davies will be a starter, that Pochettino knows what he's doing and he's right in dropping Rose, that Rose leaves too much space behind him. Ben Davies may be still young, perhaps he'll develop in years, But he's the risk, not if you bring a player like Rausch, Coentrao, Augustinsson or Platenhardt from another league.
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Hudsoneagle 09 Jan 17 4.28pm | |
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Isn't Coentrao a Real Madrid player who has had injury problems? Is he actually available and would he really leave Real Madrid and his best buddy Ronaldo to come to Palace and help us in a relegation battle?
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Hudsoneagle 09 Jan 17 4.36pm | |
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And then there is Rausch who on paper looks like he should be a good left back...but then even he has been available on a free transfer twice and he has never been signed by a top German club.
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Hudsoneagle 09 Jan 17 4.43pm | |
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I would love Palace to sign Gibbs and if it was a direct choice between Gibbs and Davies I think I would pick Gibbs but do we have a chance? Is he fit? He didn't make the bench against Preston so I think he is currently injured. Who would you prefer out of the players we are being linked with? Rousillon is it?
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mattteo 09 Jan 17 4.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Hudsoneagle
I would love Palace to sign Gibbs and if it was a direct choice between Gibbs and Davies I think I would pick Gibbs but do we have a chance? Is he fit? He didn't make the bench against Preston so I think he is currently injured. Who would you prefer out of the players we are being linked with? Rousillon is it?
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ThatPetrolRelation Ottawa 09 Jan 17 5.00pm | |
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Originally posted by mattteo
Defensively....it's about watching matches. I have watched many of them. It's difficult to say who is better at tackling, who recovers more. I don't have these statistics. You could go to whoscored and read some there, but even they aren't that trustworthy. I just can't agree that Konstantin Rausch and Fabio Coentrao can't tackle as well as Davies. I've seen Davies play and I just wasn't impressed. He stood well in defence but didn't strike me as an awesome tackler. Years ago, when Pocchetino was enamored with Ben Davies and bought him from Swansea, I said that Danny Rose is the best English left back and actually third in the world, only behind Marcelo and maybe Alba/Alaba. People laughed and called me Rudolph, told me I have a red nose They said that Rose is not good enough, that Ben Davies will be a starter, that Pochettino knows what he's doing and he's right in dropping Rose, that Rose leaves too much space behind him. Ben Davies may be still young, perhaps he'll develop in years, But he's the risk, not if you bring a player like Rausch, Coentrao, Augustinsson or Platenhardt from another league.
Bringing in players from other leagues is never a certainty. A lot of players just don't adapt to the Prem, who do very well elsewhere (I will spare you my list of flops). Some take a season to adapt, and we don't have the luxury of that kind of learning curve. I don't care if Davies can't score much, or there is a long fantasy-list of players who might be better. Davies is a better LB than Kelly and Fryers. So I say buy him if he'll sign! As to your other concern long term. Same question, can we buy a better LB? If yes, then Davies sits on the bench. If we can buy 2, then we sell Davies in the summer--what's the issue? The problem with the January transfer window is that everybody wants to buy, but no one wants to sell (except garbage). I mean with so many players out we can't even afford to sell Mutch until we have a replacement. Beggars can't be choosers, and we are relegation-fight beggars.
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