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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 21 Jan 17 8.55pm |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
It hasn't been, nor can it be proved, that pollution by man makes any difference. It is speculation. Planetary warming is cyclical. Once it starts, there is no stopping it. Reduce emissions (greenhouse gas) as much as you like, the planet will get warmer. Mans effect on that warming is as much as you pissing in the ocean will raise sea levels. What do you base this on?
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 Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 21 Jan 17 9.01pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
What do you base this on? Which bit? Proved or disproved? Or cyclical planetary warming? And I should also add cooling. IE Ice-ages. Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (21 Jan 2017 9.02pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Jan 17 10.54pm |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Which bit? Proved or disproved? Or cyclical planetary warming? And I should also add cooling. IE Ice-ages. Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (21 Jan 2017 9.02pm) Humankind's lack of contribution
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| the.universal 21 Jan 17 11.14pm |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
It hasn't been, nor can it be proved, that pollution by man makes any difference. It is speculation. Planetary warming is cyclical. Once it starts, there is no stopping it. Reduce emissions (greenhouse gas) as much as you like, the planet will get warmer. Mans effect on that warming is as much as you pissing in the ocean will raise sea levels. Basically Tim, you don't have any expertise in this area, so maybe best to stop making sweeping statements about it.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 21 Jan 17 11.16pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Humankind's lack of contribution We are but a fly in the ointment Gusset. We alter nothing. Nature is more powerful than anything. If you believe we can change nature, you should study up on alchemy. Maybe you can crack turning lead into gold. Or maybe try to stop the tide coming in. (fingers crossed)
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 21 Jan 17 11.37pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Humankind's lack of contribution The politically correct *humankind*
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Jan 17 11.48pm |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
We are but a fly in the ointment Gusset. We alter nothing. Nature is more powerful than anything. If you believe we can change nature, you should study up on alchemy. Maybe you can crack turning lead into gold. Or maybe try to stop the tide coming in. (fingers crossed) The concensus among the scientific world says otherwise.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 22 Jan 17 12.38am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
The concensus among the scientific world says otherwise. "there are other factors too" Indeed. But 97% of scientists couldn't collate that evidence, so they theorise. Or speculate. And now it seems that Man(kind) made it so. Scientists know that there has been more CO2, and methane, in the atmosphere millions of years before humans. They have no idea why, but they have theories. More speculation. And without man(kind), water is the biggest contributor of greenhouse gas. Roughly two thirds of the planet is water, at the moment, but will increase as temperature rises. As there is increasingly more water, there is increasingly more water vapour(greenhouse gas No1). This is the acceleration happening now (Polar caps shrinking, mountain glaciers melting, etc). As I said, we may have helped speed it up, but it's going to happen. Even if man(kind) never existed.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Jan 17 1.09am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
"there are other factors too" Indeed. But 97% of scientists couldn't collate that evidence, so they theorise. Or speculate. And now it seems that Man(kind) made it so. Scientists know that there has been more CO2, and methane, in the atmosphere millions of years before humans. They have no idea why, but they have theories. More speculation. And without man(kind), water is the biggest contributor of greenhouse gas. Roughly two thirds of the planet is water, at the moment, but will increase as temperature rises. As there is increasingly more water, there is increasingly more water vapour(greenhouse gas No1). This is the acceleration happening now (Polar caps shrinking, mountain glaciers melting, etc). As I said, we may have helped speed it up, but it's going to happen. Even if man(kind) never existed. You concede that we may have helped speed it up. Don't you think we should do all we can to stop helping to speed on up. Take the climate in Argentina. Lots more rain due to the deforestation around the Amazon. That is down to mankind affecting nature.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 22 Jan 17 1.33am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
You concede that we may have helped speed it up. Don't you think we should do all we can to stop helping to speed on up. Take the climate in Argentina. Lots more rain due to the deforestation around the Amazon. That is down to mankind affecting nature. I haven't conceded anything. I started by blaming the idiot who rubbed sticks together. He was a precursor to you and I. And I do think that we are damaging the planet, irreversibly. But since I, or you, don't live in poverty in the Amazon area, I feel I have no right to take away their right to have access to freedom from poverty. They only have one way to do that. By acquiring money. They also only have one way of getting that money. ie. sell the wood, (to 1st world countries), then farm the land for produce to sell (to 1st world countries). That's us, in case you missed the point. You shout for equality and planetary stability, whilst sucking on the same tit that we all do. The one that isn't available to the truly impoverished, not the scumbags who live in 1st world countries who whinge about having to work for the privilege of health.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 22 Jan 17 1.46am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
You concede that we may have helped speed it up. Don't you think we should do all we can to stop helping to speed on up. Take the climate in Argentina. Lots more rain due to the deforestation around the Amazon. That is down to mankind affecting nature. I forgot to say (sorry got distracted), I don't think that anything we do will change what has already happened. It cannot be reversed, it is happening. It will continue. Whatever we do. It may go into recline, it has in the past, it may accelerate. It's done that too. But whether we have or have not been complicit in the climate change is moot. It is here. It is happening. And any amount of money is useless to stop it. Much like praying for it to stop. We could stop all CO2 production tomorrow, but the effect would be nil. Ask your scientist mates.
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| rikz Croydon 22 Jan 17 9.48am |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
I don't need to do research. I don't need to use Google or Wikipedia I have an MSc from Surrey University in Environmental Management. The Earth has passed a 'tipping point', as far as temperature is concerned, so the future is unknown If you seriously belive that then ids pointless having a debate with you. You can even read the wikileaks emails that prove climate data was altered to use as political tool. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Jan 2017 6.59pm)
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