That is not the right question. The meaningful question is are we getting better over time, and the answer to that is an emphatic no. If our downward trajectory continues we will 'transition' to the Championship.

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

Club/Team it's what happens on the pitch that matters.
And yes these are the good times Man U and Chelsea coming to town.

Of course we should not accept relegation and IMO we will be fine.

You want Pardew out and if we had 6 more points you would be fine with him.?

I know Rudi wants him out.!!

A quality manager and expensive players, doesn't guarantee results, look at Man City, where nearly every player was bought for £30m +, ripped apart by Leicester, who at the time were below us in the league.
A bit of perspective is needed, many on here have wild expectations, which are unrealistic with our track record over the years.
Ambition isn't a bad thing, but realistically we're not going to ever be a big team.

you can look at these 6 'phantom' points in a few ways.

2 extra wins, or 6 draws when we actually lost, or a combination of a win and 3 draws as opposed to losses.

any of them we'd obviously take, i'd actually prefer the 6 draws rather than losses, that'd show some defensive capability rather than suicide football that we currently play.

Pardew doesn't have any tactics, let a lone a plan B, how he sees this as transition evades me totally. He's torn the heart out of the team, we get shot of Jedi yet Paddy has been at the club for a million years doing naff all, Murray and Gayle didn't work in the scheme we were playing and i get that, Gayle had 5 managers that never played him and hes now in the championship, that'll change next year when they are in the Prem for sure, but I just cannot get past how Pardew seems to be bullet proof in every way.

Edited by paperhat (13 Dec 2016 1.43pm)

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Yes - just a little guily about banging on - albeit sensibly - about Pardew and his failings (in my eyes).
For now I will keep quiet on that particular matter.
Annoyingly I will have to miss the match tomorrow and watch it on TV.
I will be there for Chelsea though

Good post.