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 Willo  South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Nov 16 11.25am |
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Originally posted by rawpalace05
People seem to be ignoring the facts I posted yesterday- A win today would have seen us hit just shy of 1.4 points per game average for the season. This is in keeping with Pardews record historically. Over the past 10 years average that would see us finish 8th in the table come may. Pull your knicker back up the lot of you. So are we saying 55 points and a top half finish is unacceptable for little old crystal palace? I don't want a manager who may possibly get us an extra league position by playing dull, defensive football. I like being entertained and as frustrating as westham, leceister and Burnley were, those games without the disruptions to the back line could have all gone the other way and we'd be sat here wetting ourselves with glee on 20 points. I really don't understand the hysteria, yes the calender record for 2016 is poor and he's got some things wrong (as do all managers) but imo it's the lack of strength in depth that's caused the poor results, not AP's tactics. Some will look at the following squad players currently at the club signed by Pardew and reflect accordingly : Flamini,Sako, Lee, Mutch, Anderson, Ladapo, Jonathan Benteke. And from previous seasons :
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| Goldfiinger Just down the road 06 Nov 16 11.31am |
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Originally posted by steven_t92
With great regret I have to say that after today's performances and the comments made after, it is time for the club to look at someone else from Pardew. It's been a really enjoyable journey but after the amount of investment over the summer we can't justify the performances this season. Getting to the FA cup final still sounds like a dream but we did it with Pardew. Something I'll never forget. When that goal went in, I thought we were about to be champions but hold no grudge that we couldn't cross the line. This season started badly, we recovered but have now slump pedal even lower than we have done this year. It's been a bad 2016 and no matter what, our annual form won't look like we can stay in the league. It is time to move on and find someone who is the next step up from Al, even despite how much I had wanted him to take charge of us when Pulis and Co took over, we have reached our limit with him. He isn't a top half manager and that's what we need when we are spending over 50 mil during the summer. Thanks for everything Alan, it's been our best period in our history. We now need to move forward. Our net spend was more like ten million. So no we shouldn't consider ourselves a top half team.... At best we are a mid division team. At best! And there's nothing wrong with that, but it does mean we'll win some and we'll lose some. What is actually wrong with our league position considering we had a net spend of £10M? So many fans expect so much, we have no right at all to consider ourselves to deserve a place in the top ten. None. We are not top ten side, spending net of £10M does not make a top ten squad. So now we know for a fact, we're not a top ten side. Why do we bay for the managers head insisting we should be a top ten side.... We are not a top ten side...... Really are we?? So our league position is actually spot on, all things considered. Edited by Goldfiinger (06 Nov 2016 11.36am)
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| OldFella London 06 Nov 16 11.32am |
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Originally posted by rawpalace05
People seem to be ignoring the facts I posted yesterday- So are we saying 55 points and a top half finish is unacceptable for little old crystal palace? I don't want a manager who may possibly get us an extra league position by playing dull, defensive football. I like being entertained and as frustrating as westham, leceister and Burnley were, those games without the disruptions to the back line could have all gone the other way and we'd be sat here wetting ourselves with glee on 20 points. I really don't understand the hysteria, yes the calender record for 2016 is poor and he's got some things wrong (as do all managers) but imo it's the lack of strength in depth that's caused the poor results, not AP's tactics. I hate what we've become by establishing ourselves in the pl, flirting with the bottom clubs may be just what we need in order to regress to a sense of perspective. Ignored for good reason - it was full of incorrect assumptions, unrealistic projections and very dubious judgement. And you may, but most of us don't, wear knickers.
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| Goldfiinger Just down the road 06 Nov 16 11.43am |
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Originally posted by Willo
Some will look at the following squad players currently at the club signed by Pardew and reflect accordingly : Flamini,Sako, Lee, Mutch, Anderson, Ladapo, Jonathan Benteke. And from previous seasons : None of which really cost the club anything, pay peanuts and get monkeys.... what's the point? He's working to a budget set by the pay master. Sako was a championship player of the year, fare punt on a free. No? I'm pretty sure Parish had said the club got its transfer policy wrong trying to sign good championship players and that's now changing. Not sure this can continuously be laid at just pardews door. Now if Pardew had been telling parish to spend £10M on each of those then yes there's an issue. But really they've cost the club nothing in transfer fees really. Which shows just how tight the purse strings have been. And rightly so.
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| Johng 06 Nov 16 11.59am |
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Originally posted by Pigglelet
I’m coming round more to the opinion now that we need a new manager. I was prepared to give AP more time because what this Club needs is stability. The last half of last season wasn’t acceptable and this new, more gung-ho style, simply isn’t working, even though it’s still early days. The team has forgotten how to defend and we aren’t clinical enough to win games 5-4, although we are creating enough chances. Only West Ham, Hull and Sunderland have let in more goals than Palace this season now. If Hull manage to beat Southampton today, we’ll be just one point off the bottom three. Yes, he really is that bad. There is no one who has a worse record this year.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Nov 16 12.04pm |
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Originally posted by Goldfiinger
Our net spend was more like ten million. So no we shouldn't consider ourselves a top half team.... At best we are a mid division team. At best! And there's nothing wrong with that, but it does mean we'll win some and we'll lose some. What is actually wrong with our league position considering we had a net spend of £10M? So many fans expect so much, we have no right at all to consider ourselves to deserve a place in the top ten. None. We are not top ten side, spending net of £10M does not make a top ten squad. So now we know for a fact, we're not a top ten side. Why do we bay for the managers head insisting we should be a top ten side.... We are not a top ten side...... Really are we?? So our league position is actually spot on, all things considered. Edited by Goldfiinger (06 Nov 2016 11.36am) I believe discounting the add-ons, our net spend was in the region of £15 Mill which of course is not large in PL terms.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 06 Nov 16 12.26pm |
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Back from the game, calmed down and reflective. We were mugged, as we were the better team by some distance for at least 2/3 of the match. Burnley's first goal doesn't happen if Punch doesn't pick out the defender with his corner. Second goal should never have gone through the keeper. Third goal - well, I will call out the manager as well on that one as we should have kept at least 3 back. Ledley is becoming a detriment to the team, I'm afraid, and with Punch blowing hot & cold, we should be in the market for a midfielder in the Jan window. We will also be no worse off if Fryers gets a start over Kelly. Apart from all of that - no sarcasm intended - we were good and well worth all 3 points. Mugged.
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| bexleydave Barnehurst 06 Nov 16 12.26pm |
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Originally posted by rawpalace05
A win today would have seen us hit just shy of 1.4 points per game average for the season But we didn't win yesterday did we, so we're currently on a point a game, and likely to get worse? And we are most unlikely to get anything out of the Man City game. So what does that make the average per game? Oh, and if we had won yesterday 14 points in 11 games is less than 1.3 per game, but irrelevant anyway. Edited by bexleydave (06 Nov 2016 12.27pm)
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Nov 16 1.01pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Back from the game, calmed down and reflective. We were mugged, as we were the better team by some distance for at least 2/3 of the match. Burnley's first goal doesn't happen if Punch doesn't pick out the defender with his corner. Second goal should never have gone through the keeper. Third goal - well, I will call out the manager as well on that one as we should have kept at least 3 back. Ledley is becoming a detriment to the team, I'm afraid, and with Punch blowing hot & cold, we should be in the market for a midfielder in the Jan window. We will also be no worse off if Fryers gets a start over Kelly. Apart from all of that - no sarcasm intended - we were good and well worth all 3 points. Mugged. Didn't see the game so cannot comment, however we conceded some terrible goals and the number of goals we have conceded recently is a major concern. Some have talked about strengthening in the January 'Window' - we have 7 games to play before it opens and we could be in dire straits when it does and having to attract players to fight a relegation battle. Edited by Willo (06 Nov 2016 1.09pm)
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| sickboy Deal or Croydon 06 Nov 16 1.11pm |
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Originally posted by Johng
Yes, he really is that bad. There is no one who has a worse record this year. Leagues are never run over a calendar year, so that argument is totally irrelevant. Again, taking everything into account we are about where we should be, and if a few of our chances had gone in we would be much better off and therefore punching well above our weight. Still way too soon to panic ladies and gents.
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| cpj Kent 06 Nov 16 1.19pm |
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If you include the end of last season we have now conceded first in 14 of our last 16 games. How the manager can stay in place with that sort of record is astonishing.
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chateauferret  06 Nov 16 1.20pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Back from the game, calmed down and reflective. We were mugged, as we were the better team by some distance for at least 2/3 of the match. Burnley's first goal doesn't happen if Punch doesn't pick out the defender with his corner. Second goal should never have gone through the keeper. Third goal - well, I will call out the manager as well on that one as we should have kept at least 3 back. Ledley is becoming a detriment to the team, I'm afraid, and with Punch blowing hot & cold, we should be in the market for a midfielder in the Jan window. We will also be no worse off if Fryers gets a start over Kelly. Apart from all of that - no sarcasm intended - we were good and well worth all 3 points. Mugged. Mugged in the sense of walking through Brixton with a lot of blingy jewllery on
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