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citizensmudge Flag midlands 17 Oct 16 12.17am

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

You know what I mean. Do you know what I mean?

Yes I know what you mean.City got an Arab with gazillions and bought whatever the fvck they wanted.We haven't got that,so our journey will be sweeter just remaining in the PL and seeing our ground redeveloped imo.

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 17 Oct 16 12.24am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by citizensmudge

So you weren't celebrating after we had won 3 on the bounce,Pardew is an average manager and we could lose the next 4,5 or even six games.I suggest you ship out old chap,go and find another team to support because if you openly admit you were not buzzing after winning those 3 games then you are either supporting the wrong team or maybe watching the wrong sport.If it makes you unhappy then get rid Rudi.

You either had to take a break or type that post on the small of your lovely Alan's back.

Didn't make me unhappy that we beat the current sh1t in the division, pal. I'm just a bit more balanced and know they were dross and the next 4 and more games are tougher. And guess what, we will probably get 1 point or 2 or 4 if we're lucky. I won't complain. But I will if the run continues into 6,8 or more games. He is neither great or bad, just average.

And who the fvck are you to tell anybody who they should support or what they should do? Oh I forgot. Best footballer in Caterham obce upon a time. And that was a serious claim. Feckin hell.

 


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Uphill Flag Bedford 17 Oct 16 8.19am Send a Private Message to Uphill Add Uphill as a friend

.. back to the question .. it is so glaringly obvious and as I, and many others, have repeatedly pointed out: we have no creative midfield.

Passes sideways, backwards, abortive one-twos and the get-rid-of-it-quick mentality just doesn't work, not for us anyway.

That is why Gayle had no chance - he didn't get the through balls he thrives on. Similarly with Murray. Both will now prosper and in Gayle's case I am confident he will make the PL grade if Newcastle get promoted.
Any player we've had with holding and passing skill gets ignored:
Bannan, Garvan, Williams and now, Lee - what a waste!

Our eggs seem all to be in the one basket - Benteke. For all his ability he can't expect to convert the few crosses he gets if he is marked by two or three defenders, as by West Ham.

Although past their prime I am sure that the likes of Scott Parker, Lee Tomlin, even Ben Watson would be a temporary fix until we can get a young, genuine ball-holding player who can move it forward while the forwards get in position. We have absolutely no one at present, apart from Lee, who can fill this vital role.

That's the main reason we lost, and it will continue because we don't have the skills for the 'new style of play'

 

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chateauferret Flag 17 Oct 16 11.15am

Originally posted by dynamicdick

Papering over yesterday's cracks I am afraid!

That penalty was merely the crowning turd in the water-pipe.

 


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thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 17 Oct 16 11.28am Send a Private Message to thai-eagle Add thai-eagle as a friend

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

does anybody also think that damos frustrating aimless longballs just cause us problems? its almost like "you cant teach an old dog new tricks"

they never amount to anything and as much as i love the guy for his spirit & determination, i also cannot wait for a dann/tomkins partnership to flourish.


Having said the same numerous of times, but why does the manager not forbid DD to do it unless he is under heavy pressure?

 

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Charlie Croker Flag Hampshire 17 Oct 16 12.26pm Send a Private Message to Charlie Croker Add Charlie Croker as a friend

Originally posted by kevlee

Surely the reason we lost was because Benteke took the worst penalty in league history.
If he has cored we would have gone in 1-1 and I think we would have won.

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As others have already pointed out.

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The Pires one for Arsenal was pretty shocking in it's execution as well. Even Neymar (£71.5 million) is not immune . . .

 


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citizensmudge Flag midlands 17 Oct 16 1.48pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You either had to take a break or type that post on the small of your lovely Alan's back.

Didn't make me unhappy that we beat the current sh1t in the division, pal. I'm just a bit more balanced and know they were dross and the next 4 and more games are tougher. And guess what, we will probably get 1 point or 2 or 4 if we're lucky. I won't complain. But I will if the run continues into 6,8 or more games. He is neither great or bad, just average.

And who the fvck are you to tell anybody who they should support or what they should do? Oh I forgot. Best footballer in Caterham obce upon a time. And that was a serious claim. Feckin hell.

Its not a Physics Thesis its Football,its about passion and living in the moment as all sport is.You seem incapable of enjoying where we are you would rather pick holes and predict misery,its a glass half empty pessimistic viewpoint that imo shows you have an underlying issue with the club.Obviously its the manager and anyone that supports him,i stated what I thought he did wrong on Saturday but the game wasn't lost because of him.Bilic changed the formation out of nowhere after an international break and it caught us out but why wouldn't it given the circumstances?AP did his job,adapted at half time and sent the team out with the best possible chance of getting something out of the game.What more can he do as a manager on the day? You don't mention McArthur making a schoolboy error that cost us the only goal of the game.And Benetekes penalty miss was only worth a quick mention after youd berated AP for getting tactics wrong and being average and stating that you thought we would lose before the game even kicked off.I feel like you are almost in the group that hope we lose for personal justification just because you have a dislike of the manager.I struggle to remember any positive posts from you really,i imagine you to be a real life version of Mr You-Don't-Wanna-Do-It-Like-That

 

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cpj Flag Kent 17 Oct 16 2.37pm Send a Private Message to cpj Add cpj as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

We always help teams out who can't buy a win when they come to selhurst. Sunderland, villa, scunthorpe, whoever it is.

Hearing Bilic was playing 3 central defenders and cresswell coming back at left back after their awful display vs Southampton had me expecting a likely West Ham win.

Pardew being a streaky and average manager who can deliver only when a plentiful selection of players are available. Not a complaint but it's a limitation for a while.

Control Benteke with the 3 central defenders and control our wingers and its job done.

They are the reasons we lost as well as the penalty miss. Wasn't expecting much from the last 2 and the next 2 which is why I wasn't doing cartwheels after beating the dross that is Middlesbrough, Stoke and Sunderland. Now we're playing better sides some reality and waking up with the team and management is hopefully setting in or we could be on a 4-6 game run or more without a win again.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (16 Oct 2016 11.30pm)

^^ This.

 

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Pete53 Flag Hassocks 17 Oct 16 2.42pm Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

does anybody also think that damos frustrating aimless longballs just cause us problems? its almost like "you cant teach an old dog new tricks"

they never amount to anything and as much as i love the guy for his spirit & determination, i also cannot wait for a dann/tomkins partnership to flourish.

They do, but probably not as much as when he tries to play the ball out. I think whilst we wait for Dann's return we have to accept his punts out.But, I agree they don't do us many favours.

 

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citizensmudge Flag midlands 17 Oct 16 3.46pm

I am as frustrated with Delaneys punts as the next man especially on Saturday as they were set up to double up on Benteke from the off.He tried dropping it shorter into the area between midfield and the forward line a few times as well and virtually every time we lost possession.Part of the problem is Puncheon playing the deeper role in midfield in my opinion,hes not a natural DM whereas McArthur is.Benteke gets isolated too often because McArthur is 20 - 30 yards away busting a gut to get nearer and join on.As good as Punch's stats are for the season I hope AP reverts back to Cabaye and McArthur in midfield with Punch or even better Remy when hes back, in a position to play off Benteke as soon as we win possession back.If we can get someone nearer and even able to run past him when he is in the air it gives opponents much more to think about.

 

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dynamicdick Flag Dormansland 17 Oct 16 4.27pm Send a Private Message to dynamicdick Add dynamicdick as a friend

Originally posted by citizensmudge

Its not a Physics Thesis its Football,its about passion and living in the moment as all sport is.You seem incapable of enjoying where we are you would rather pick holes and predict misery,its a glass half empty pessimistic viewpoint that imo shows you have an underlying issue with the club.Obviously its the manager and anyone that supports him,i stated what I thought he did wrong on Saturday but the game wasn't lost because of him.Bilic changed the formation out of nowhere after an international break and it caught us out but why wouldn't it given the circumstances?AP did his job,adapted at half time and sent the team out with the best possible chance of getting something out of the game.What more can he do as a manager on the day? You don't mention McArthur making a schoolboy error that cost us the only goal of the game.And Benetekes penalty miss was only worth a quick mention after youd berated AP for getting tactics wrong and being average and stating that you thought we would lose before the game even kicked off.I feel like you are almost in the group that hope we lose for personal justification just because you have a dislike of the manager.I struggle to remember any positive posts from you really,i imagine you to be a real life version of Mr You-Don't-Wanna-Do-It-Like-That

All PL managers inc Mr Pardew are paid to have a plan 'B' if another manager decides to do things a little differently. They played a 3-5-2 knowing that we would only play one up front. The 5 man midfield allowed them to deny Palace space and additionally they pressed the ball meaning Palace lost possession and were forced into errors. Once they got possession they kept it very well. Even though I dislike Noble due to his constant berating of referees, he didn't stop moving and geeing up his players. I didn't see that with us.
As they had the 5 man midfield they were also able to quickly stifle Townsend's possession so that he wasn't able to make runs or put balls into the box.
Tactically and AP is in charge of this we seem unable against this formation to know how to counter it which, normally means waiting to half time. We lack the ability to change into a Plan 'B' or even 'C' quickly.
This is I consider to be our biggest weakness and one that has to be resolved and quickly.
and one last thing....ZaZa up front worked his socks off for them unlike Benteke. All round they wanted it far more than us and had the right tactics with it.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 17 Oct 16 4.39pm

In truth, they won because they converted on of their otherwise fluffed decent chances. We lost because we spooned a couple of better ones. Both us and them can be thankful to their keepers (either for the 3 points or not being worse) and the weather was f**king awful.

Also they did a good job of keeping both Zaha and Townsend under control.

 


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