I suspect that there is alot behind the fact that premiership players don't have the same desire to play for England as they do for their clubs (plus i wonder how much influence is put on them by their managers not to get injured - ie. go into full bloodied tackles).

Wouldn't it be interesting if the England manager put out a statement, by picking talented players outside the premiership for a game.

These players would be so delighted to play for England, and put in 100%.

Players like Will Hughes (Derby), Iforia & Hause (Wolves), Charlie Taylor (Leeds), Dale Stephens (brighton).

Not only are they playing for England, but also showing they can play at a higher level. Infact the Under-21's won 5-0 last night even though their manager is now managing the senior team.

A dream too far though.

I must say Ild like to Southgate to say 'feck it, the U21's could play better than you lot, so i'm gonna play them instead"

...although I seem to remember they didn;t do much better at their Last tournament!

the experienced centre half who puts his bosy on the line,

im not going to bother watching england qualifying games live anymore. theyre mugging off the nation. i'll watch the lowlights on motd.

im not going to bother watching england qualifying games live anymore. theyre mugging off the nation. i'll watch the lowlights on motd.

This group, as with the one for the Euros will see the very same tactics of Park the Bus being used by each and every opponent.

If we had an Italy or Holland then at least two games would be end to end (the on the break tactic would be unnecesary for those opponents) and we would have the space to do more, however each game we have played recently in the last two years is exactly the same (Park the Bus) and we play one player up front with two wide guys (in Walcott and Lingaard currently) and our Centre Forward keeps on dropping off into the midfield and seemingly laying it off to Stones or Cahill.

On a Saturday afternoon - name one Premier League Team that does that? Even against West Brom - who does that?

Last season, only Man Utd played as slowly as England do today, why don't we play like we do every Premier League match - especially against the Park the Bus merchants?

Each side now plays one up top, but he plays the whole game up top - he doesn't drop off (like Sturridge).

There is then either 5 across the middle or they play more of a 4-3-3.

I am not sure what we played yesterday (4 5 1 I think more than a 4 3 3), but can anyone think of any team in the Premier League that plays like England? No wonder the players suffer as it is a completely different system - Tottenham's players do not play like that ever unless they are playing for England.

And not to get confused with Long Ball Football, if it is not working then change it. Benteke for us has changed everything - put a good ball into the box and their defence is in trouble. Our Centre forward had dropped so far off that there was no one to cross it to other than midgets like Walcott and Lingard.

Even when Kane is available you can't just cross it in there - however if you had (God help me for saying this) a Carroll or a Crouch, then at least - having failed with the possession concept we could at least try something else.

The tactics that we should be using should be the tactics every Premier League Team uses against West Brom in this group - all the players know the drill, they play it often and we shouldn't be afraid to change the system when it is failing nor should we continue to play as though we might concede at any second.

Edited by Azerbaijan Eagle (12 Oct 2016 1.39pm)