Voting- leaning towards in, but will be researching a bit more before making a decision.

Many of the points raised about why some people are voting out (NHS being stretched, shortage of school places etc) are down to the stupid and ideologically focused policy of 'austerity'- a word I despise, as we should just say 'massive and unprecedented cuts to public services'.

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Voting: out

Zero wage rises
Chronic housing shortage
Massively stretched NHS
Shortage of school places
General overpopulation
Loss of British values/way of life/culture and general identity.

That’s enough to sway me.

I hope this pastes well and I'm not too pasted but wtf? High immigration has been going on for over 10 years and Labour were in power from 1997 to 2010.

There was a house building problem in 2005/6, I remember it. This was also when immigration was rising dramatically.

You could blame the stretched NHS on the funds available. Same for the school places. Whether you think that spending Ed Balls' style in a contracting world economy is smart or not is your choice. btw, the NHS spend has increased year on year, it's in built up areas where you suddenly need a school. Near Purley Oaks Primary, Thornton Heath. I'm sure you get the drift. Outside of Kenley or Chipstead or Warlingham you have zero worries. Well I live outside of those areas but I worry for those people already here.

What you either ignore or are not aware of is that the Labour party had agencies going out to Eastern Europe to encourage workers to come to Britain. They were all about figures and addressing too many issues and appeasing lots of different factions of society that they couldn't satisfy all. They turned out to be an absolute shower apart from introducing things like the minimum wage.

btw, I am not a tory and am a floating voter but Churchill's, "Show me a young Tory...no heart and an old Liberal....and no brain" (approx) applies to most people.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (20 Feb 2016 11.54pm)

COYP

So basically the lack of social cohesion caused by mass migration, the fact that unsecured borders make Britain less secure, the fact that many of these people who move to Britain are completely polarised in their thinking and will not change, the removal of Brotish sovereignty over key issues, the reduction of power of Parliament and the enforcement of rules from an unelected body of faceless bureaucrats outweighs a statistic you have got from somewhere which is probably not provable in any manner?

Simply dismissing my thoughts as 'Little Englander' doesn't work Michael. It highlights that you are once again positioning yourself on policy based on what you think makes you look intellectual, rather than anything with any substance.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Not sure you 'get it'. Johnny Englander perfectly describes the type of brash, arrogant native who can have a propensity themselves not to integrate with others. The fact that we have migrants taking on the jobs that too many of us would rather not be associated with, combined with their hard-working ethic - many do try to integrate as proven by employment statistics. Where would NHS be without them?

What do you do to integrate yourself with migrants?

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

The bit they read in the Daily Mail. Hands off our sausages. ECHR etc