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Is Bert the Head right about media and politics?
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| Hoof Hearted 11 May 16 10.43am | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
I have to admit, the premise posited in the title of this thread gave me a right good laff. You know Gusset has been on the wine gums when he starts a thread with that title Dermot.
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 EverybodyDannsNow  SE19 11 May 16 11.19am |
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I'm struggling to understand why this has turned into another left v right thread - sure, Corbyn is the example used in the initial post, but as is highlighted above, this is far from a problem exclusive to him - Farage is another good example. Whether you support Corbyn or not, surely the monopolization of the media and the consequent influence on politics is a concern for anyone? Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (11 May 2016 11.20am)
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 11 May 16 11.31am |
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The established media report things based on their own agenda. Look at the Sun flip flopping between Tories and Labour. The good thing about the various social media platforms is that everyone has a voice and it is a lot easier to find various sources for information. The downside is most people search for things that fulfill their confirmation bias
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| Hoof Hearted 11 May 16 11.31am | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I'm struggling to understand why this has turned into another left v right thread - sure, Corbyn is the example used in the initial post, but as is highlighted above, this is far from a problem exclusive to him - Farage is another good example. Whether you support Corbyn or not, surely the monopolization of the media and the consequent influence on politics is a concern for anyone? Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (11 May 2016 11.20am) For a bit of background Dannsy... Bert the Head pretty much blames the right wing press for everything in every post he makes. That is why Gusset chose him and Corbyn....Dermot and I just found it hilarious. But... taking your serious point on board - I agree with you. Farage has taken a lot more crap than Corbyn or anybody else (I posted this information earlier in the thread). In an ideal world everyone would be fair and not biased, but we're dealing with human nature and a competitive streak that overrides what is the sensible thing to do.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 11 May 16 11.46am |
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People tend to get the relationship slightly wrong. The public consume media, and politicians connect to the public interest, via the media. As such, the power in the relationship resides within the media corporations, as they can influence both politicians and the public. As a generalisation, corporations hold power and influence beyond that of citizens and the state, because they have the capacity to 'manufacture consent' with both the public and political bodies. Take IS - The media has controlled the issue of IS and as a result steered political and public opinion towards intervention, far more than the actions of IS. Even going back to the rout of the Iraqi army, British Policy has been designed because of the media use of IS shock tactics to appal them, whilst polticial parties move to respond to this disgust. Now whether we should intervene or not, isn't really something we decide alone, we're motivated by the disgust we feel from the media presentation, which is presented in the media, and then responded to by politicians (just an example, not a defence of IS). The Media really acts as the magnifying glass to the public, and as the representative of 'the average man' to the Politicians.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 May 16 11.47am |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
For a bit of background Dannsy... Bert the Head pretty much blames the right wing press for everything in every post he makes. That is why Gusset chose him and Corbyn....Dermot and I just found it hilarious. But... taking your serious point on board - I agree with you. Farage has taken a lot more crap than Corbyn or anybody else (I posted this information earlier in the thread). In an ideal world everyone would be fair and not biased, but we're dealing with human nature and people*, who, by any means necessary, aim to keep the status quo (Who are doing quite well under the current set up.) EFA *Including, as posted in the link, from the within the Labour party and so-called left wing publications.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 11 May 16 11.48am |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I'm struggling to understand why this has turned into another left v right thread - sure, Corbyn is the example used in the initial post, but as is highlighted above, this is far from a problem exclusive to him - Farage is another good example. Whether you support Corbyn or not, surely the monopolization of the media and the consequent influence on politics is a concern for anyone? Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (11 May 2016 11.20am) It should be, but its not an issue that's very prevalent in the media, for fairly obvious reasons. There is no such thing as a free press. Just a very expensive one.
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| Hoof Hearted 11 May 16 11.53am | |
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It seems everybody is manipulating the news Nick.... Facebook's "trending news" was suppressed by their administrative lefty agitators it seems if it was a story they didn't like, or boosted Tory morale. Unfair or what?
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 11 May 16 12.00pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
For a bit of background Dannsy... Bert the Head pretty much blames the right wing press for everything in every post he makes. That is why Gusset chose him and Corbyn....Dermot and I just found it hilarious. But... taking your serious point on board - I agree with you. Farage has taken a lot more crap than Corbyn or anybody else (I posted this information earlier in the thread). In an ideal world everyone would be fair and not biased, but we're dealing with human nature and a competitive streak that overrides what is the sensible thing to do. Thanks - although I do follow much of general talk more than I post, so I was aware of most of the above. I guess my point is more that, particularly in light of the Hillsborough episode, where the true capability of the media to protect their interests was exposed, this topic should be more than just another stick to beat Corbyn with - it might be to the right's advantage in this example, but the whole principle that a handful of individuals can control such huge proportions of the media, and as demonstrated in the initial study, essentially unfairly report information to their advantage, is massively concerning. Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (11 May 2016 12.01pm)
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| Hoof Hearted 11 May 16 12.06pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Thanks - although I do follow much of general talk more than I post, so I was aware of most of the above. I guess my point is more that, particularly in light of the Hillsborough episode, where the true capability of the media to protect their interests was exposed, this topic should be more than just another stick to beat Corbyn with - it might be to the right's advantage in this example, but the whole principle that a handful of individuals can control such huge proportions of the media, and as demonstrated in the initial study, essentially unfairly report information to their advantage, is massively concerning. Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (11 May 2016 12.01pm) Yep the point you made is entirely valid but as my "facebook" post shows, bias manifests itself everywhere, so it will be hard to eliminate it.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 May 16 12.13pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
It seems everybody is manipulating the news Nick.... Facebook's "trending news" was suppressed by their administrative lefty agitators it seems if it was a story they didn't like, or boosted Tory morale. Unfair or what?
If you are going to hire people to promote your propaganda, isn't it worth vetting them first to make sure they're 'on your side'? Happened this week with the 'rogue marker'. The fault of Pearson education (who are slowly taking over the world of education)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 May 16 12.20pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Yep the point you made is entirely valid but as my "facebook" post shows, bias manifests itself everywhere, so it will be hard to eliminate it. Bias does manifest itself everywhere, but it is heavily skewed by the media giants who have more clout, look at fox news for instance and in your example Facebook in the U.S. However, the internet has meant that alternative sources of views, news and information are available on a global scale now to compete with the giants. There are not that many blogs that I'd say are above decent, but those that are, are well researched and give good arguments. They've also got a tremendous amount of readers.
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