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Kennyd163 new addington 15 Oct 15 3.43pm
Quote Stuk at 15 Oct 2015 3.23pm Quote Kennyd163 at 15 Oct 2015 2.29pm I have a vw maxi caddy and I got the letter the other day saying that mine is one of the emission cheating cars. Got to wait for a 'technical solution to be developed' atleast it stats the the work carried out is free. Might see if they will give it a clean while they have it Has it improved your handicap much? [/quo Edited by Kennyd163 (15 Oct 2015 5.40pm)
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I have a vw maxi caddy and I got the letter the other day saying that mine is one of the emission cheating cars. Got to wait for a 'technical solution to be developed' atleast it stats the the work carried out is free. Might see if they will give it a clean while they have it

Has it improved your handicap much?
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Ray in Houston Houston 15 Oct 15 10.03pm
Quote johnfirewall at 15 Oct 2015 12.48pm Bit confused as to how it wouldn't affect performance figures too. This is the crux of the issue. When being driven normally, they're peppy little rides that puke out 30 to 40 times the allowed emissions. But when the software detects driving patterns that match an emissions test, it adjusts the engine output to lower emissions below the maximum levels. When this happens, performance goes in the toilet. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Quote johnfirewall at 15 Oct 2015 12.48pm

Bit confused as to how it wouldn't affect performance figures too.

This is the crux of the issue. When being driven normally, they're peppy little rides that puke out 30 to 40 times the allowed emissions.

But when the software detects driving patterns that match an emissions test, it adjusts the engine output to lower emissions below the maximum levels. When this happens, performance goes in the toilet.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Boooo 16 Oct 15 5.12pm
My van (VW Caddy 2.0 TDI) is going in for a ful service and re-map next week. After contacting Vw they say that they have nothing to offer atm in regards to software patches, anyway, vehicles won't be on a call back until Jan 2016. I'm going to swerve any call back as whatever i have done, VW will only f=ck it up with whatever they decide to con me with next. My re-map will make my van more fuel efficient and the 'complete' service will be better than anything VW will try to pull my pants down for. Edited by Boooo (16 Oct 2015 5.17pm) I refuse to believe there are that many people out there that can't spell. Too f**king lazy, that's what I think.
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My van (VW Caddy 2.0 TDI) is going in for a ful service and re-map next week. After contacting Vw they say that they have nothing to offer atm in regards to software patches, anyway, vehicles won't be on a call back until Jan 2016. I'm going to swerve any call back as whatever i have done, VW will only f=ck it up with whatever they decide to con me with next.
My re-map will make my van more fuel efficient and the 'complete' service will be better than anything VW will try to pull my pants down for.

Edited by Boooo (16 Oct 2015 5.17pm)

I refuse to believe there are that many people out there that can't spell. Too f**king lazy, that's what I think.

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Ray in Houston Houston 02 Nov 15 8.37pm
The US EPA has now identified an number of other models with "defeat devices" installed. The list includes a Porsche model, which is embarrassing because Porsche's CEO stepped in to take over running the company after the last guy stepped down over this scandal. [Link] The newly added models are: 2016 Audi A6 Quattro 2016 Audi A7 Quattro 2016 Audi A8 2016 Audi A8L 2016 Audi Q5 2015 Porsche Cayenne 2014 VW Touareg We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 02 Nov 15 8.37pm

The US EPA has now identified an number of other models with "defeat devices" installed. The list includes a Porsche model, which is embarrassing because Porsche's CEO stepped in to take over running the company after the last guy stepped down over this scandal.

[Link]

The newly added models are:
2016 Audi A6 Quattro
2016 Audi A7 Quattro
2016 Audi A8
2016 Audi A8L
2016 Audi Q5
2015 Porsche Cayenne
2014 VW Touareg

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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johnfirewall 02 Nov 15 9.13pm
Quote Ray in Houston at 15 Oct 2015 10.03pm Quote johnfirewall at 15 Oct 2015 12.48pm Bit confused as to how it wouldn't affect performance figures too. This is the crux of the issue. When being driven normally, they're peppy little rides that puke out 30 to 40 times the allowed emissions. But when the software detects driving patterns that match an emissions test, it adjusts the engine output to lower emissions below the maximum levels. When this happens, performance goes in the toilet. That's what I mean. Surely every other aspect of the car's performance would be tested in the same way on a rolling road. Obviously emissions are independently verified by government agencies but engine output would have to be tested by someone even if just a motoring magazine. Unless it knows when there's a probe in the exhaust.. ooh err. Edited by johnfirewall (02 Nov 2015 9.15pm)
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Quote johnfirewall at 15 Oct 2015 12.48pm

Bit confused as to how it wouldn't affect performance figures too.

This is the crux of the issue. When being driven normally, they're peppy little rides that puke out 30 to 40 times the allowed emissions.

That's what I mean. Surely every other aspect of the car's performance would be tested in the same way on a rolling road. Obviously emissions are independently verified by government agencies but engine output would have to be tested by someone even if just a motoring magazine. Unless it knows when there's a probe in the exhaust.. ooh err.

Edited by johnfirewall (02 Nov 2015 9.15pm)

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Ray in Houston Houston 02 Nov 15 10.11pm
Quote johnfirewall at 02 Nov 2015 9.13pm That's what I mean. Surely every other aspect of the car's performance would be tested in the same way on a rolling road. Obviously emissions are independently verified by government agencies but engine output would have to be tested by someone even if just a motoring magazine. Unless it knows when there's a probe in the exhaust.. ooh err. Emissions tests are normally performed on a rolling road, as the car needs to be hooked up to all the pipe sniffers (steady...). That's what the VW defeat device looked for and when that was happening, performance was tuned down to fool the test but you weren't going anywhere so no one noticed. It wasn't until someone figured out how to put all the gear in the car, and take it out on the open road, that the cheat was discovered. Under normal driving conditions, the emissions were horrendous. They reported it to the EPA, and the EPA verified the tests as accurate. The rest, possibly like VW, is history. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Quote johnfirewall at 02 Nov 2015 9.13pm

Emissions tests are normally performed on a rolling road, as the car needs to be hooked up to all the pipe sniffers (steady...). That's what the VW defeat device looked for and when that was happening, performance was tuned down to fool the test but you weren't going anywhere so no one noticed.

It wasn't until someone figured out how to put all the gear in the car, and take it out on the open road, that the cheat was discovered. Under normal driving conditions, the emissions were horrendous. They reported it to the EPA, and the EPA verified the tests as accurate.

The rest, possibly like VW, is history.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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nairb75 Baltimore 03 Nov 15 1.05am
Quote Ray in Houston at 02 Nov 2015 10.11pm The rest, possibly like VW, is history. possibly but doubtful - governments have too many VW workers to kill the company. this will go on record as one of the all time stupidest corporate acts of deception. that is, not bank related - those guys are on a whole other level.
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Baltimore 03 Nov 15 1.05am

Quote Ray in Houston at 02 Nov 2015 10.11pm

The rest, possibly like VW, is history.

possibly but doubtful - governments have too many VW workers to kill the company.

this will go on record as one of the all time stupidest corporate acts of deception. that is, not bank related - those guys are on a whole other level.

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Stuk Top half 03 Nov 15 11.53am
Quote Ray in Houston at 02 Nov 2015 8.37pm The US EPA has now identified an number of other models with "defeat devices" installed. The list includes a Porsche model, which is embarrassing because Porsche's CEO stepped in to take over running the company after the last guy stepped down over this scandal. [Link] The newly added models are: 2016 Audi A6 Quattro 2016 Audi A7 Quattro 2016 Audi A8 2016 Audi A8L 2016 Audi Q5 2015 Porsche Cayenne 2014 VW Touareg Their defence seems to be: the emissions might be higher than they're supposed to be, but we haven't put a defeat device in these models. Optimistic as ever
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Quote Ray in Houston at 02 Nov 2015 8.37pm

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The newly added models are:
2016 Audi A6 Quattro
2016 Audi A7 Quattro
2016 Audi A8
2016 Audi A8L
2016 Audi Q5
2015 Porsche Cayenne
2014 VW Touareg

Their defence seems to be: the emissions might be higher than they're supposed to be, but we haven't put a defeat device in these models.

Optimistic as ever

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Ray in Houston Houston 04 Nov 15 4.54pm
Quote Stuk at 03 Nov 2015 11.53am Their defence seems to be: the emissions might be higher than they're supposed to be, but we haven't put a defeat device in these models. Given their track record of only owning up to what other people can prove, I'll reserve judgement. Also, the new twist relates to CO2, not NOx, which is a big difference. Vehicle tax rates are based on CO2 emissions, so you can add tax fraud to the list of wrongs going on here. Plus, owners will sue over the value drop they suffer because of the fraudulently advertised emissions on these cars. I drove past a billboard last week that said, simply, "WeSueVW.com". I own a 2013 Audi A7. Not an implicated model as yet - it's a petrol engine - but some of the new problem models are petrol engined... Edited by Ray in Houston (04 Nov 2015 5.09pm) We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 04 Nov 15 4.54pm

Quote Stuk at 03 Nov 2015 11.53am

Their defence seems to be: the emissions might be higher than they're supposed to be, but we haven't put a defeat device in these models.

Given their track record of only owning up to what other people can prove, I'll reserve judgement.

Also, the new twist relates to CO2, not NOx, which is a big difference. Vehicle tax rates are based on CO2 emissions, so you can add tax fraud to the list of wrongs going on here.

Plus, owners will sue over the value drop they suffer because of the fraudulently advertised emissions on these cars. I drove past a billboard last week that said, simply, "WeSueVW.com".

I own a 2013 Audi A7. Not an implicated model as yet - it's a petrol engine - but some of the new problem models are petrol engined...

Edited by Ray in Houston (04 Nov 2015 5.09pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Stuk Top half 04 Nov 15 10.18pm
Quote Ray in Houston at 04 Nov 2015 4.54pm Quote Stuk at 03 Nov 2015 11.53am Their defence seems to be: the emissions might be higher than they're supposed to be, but we haven't put a defeat device in these models. Given their track record of only owning up to what other people can prove, I'll reserve judgement. Also, the new twist relates to CO2, not NOx, which is a big difference. Vehicle tax rates are based on CO2 emissions, so you can add tax fraud to the list of wrongs going on here. Plus, owners will sue over the value drop they suffer because of the fraudulently advertised emissions on these cars. I drove past a billboard last week that said, simply, "WeSueVW.com". I own a 2013 Audi A7. Not an implicated model as yet - it's a petrol engine - but some of the new problem models are petrol engined... Edited by Ray in Houston (04 Nov 2015 5.09pm) I'm not reserving judgement, it sounds like bulls*** to me. Optimistic as ever
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Quote Stuk at 03 Nov 2015 11.53am

Their defence seems to be: the emissions might be higher than they're supposed to be, but we haven't put a defeat device in these models.

Given their track record of only owning up to what other people can prove, I'll reserve judgement.

Also, the new twist relates to CO2, not NOx, which is a big difference. Vehicle tax rates are based on CO2 emissions, so you can add tax fraud to the list of wrongs going on here.

Plus, owners will sue over the value drop they suffer because of the fraudulently advertised emissions on these cars. I drove past a billboard last week that said, simply, "WeSueVW.com".

I own a 2013 Audi A7. Not an implicated model as yet - it's a petrol engine - but some of the new problem models are petrol engined...

Edited by Ray in Houston (04 Nov 2015 5.09pm)

I'm not reserving judgement, it sounds like bulls*** to me.

Optimistic as ever

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Stuk Top half 21 Apr 16 4.29pm
VW to offer "substantial payout" to car owners and buy-back in US deal over emissions cheat scandal. You can bet that in the EU they'll offer nothing and owners will be told to do one. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 21 Apr 16 4.29pm

VW to offer "substantial payout" to car owners and buy-back in US deal over emissions cheat scandal.

You can bet that in the EU they'll offer nothing and owners will be told to do one.

Optimistic as ever

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Stuk Top half 08 Dec 16 1.21pm
You couldn't make this crap up if you tried. The EU are taking legal action against 7 countries, including ourselves, for not knowing that VW were cheating the f* out of their emissions tests. [Link] Alright we'll fine them £15bn as well and they can go down the f*ing pan altogether. Somehow I don't think the EU would allow us to do that though. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 08 Dec 16 1.21pm

You couldn't make this crap up if you tried.

The EU are taking legal action against 7 countries, including ourselves, for not knowing that VW were cheating the f*** out of their emissions tests.

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Alright we'll fine them £15bn as well and they can go down the f***ing pan altogether. Somehow I don't think the EU would allow us to do that though.

Optimistic as ever

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