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Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Jun 2015 1.38pm
Quote serial thriller at 03 Jun 2015 1.09pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Jun 2015 12.56pm
Britain isn't a racist country. There are some people within the UK that are racist, but that's not a country - You'll find small narrow minded hateful people in most countries.
We are complicit in suffering, be it Chinese workers who make ur electronics, the bombing of Libya influencing the price of our oil, even the repression of local farmers in South America so our middle classes can eat quinoa. We relieve ourselves of guilt in many ways. We point to everyone else doing likewise, the improvements being made in helping these people. But a fundamental justification for our actions remains an idea of racial or national dominance which is pervasive in our very language and customs. Look at how the government are currently promoting 'British values' in schools, whatever they are. Look at the willing ignorance of Islamic culture and its infinite diversity, yet the widespread belief that Islam promotes hatred/extremism. Look at the reaction to the London riots, with even one of our most prominent historians on national television claiming it was due to 'white people becoming black'. The results of this underlying racial understanding is clear for all to see (look at the police's stop and search numbers, the colour of British prisons etc.), but the idea that Britain remains a country which is built upon racism is far more difficult.
IF you take all the world ills, from poverty to war to injustice, and then say they are down to "racism" don't you: 1. oversimplify the world's problems (I think economics, history and culture play a bit of a role too, don't you?) ? These days it is a meaningless word, along with 'rights'.
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Quote Stuk at 03 Jun 2015 1.13pm
No, it's not. A saw a story earlier with some black men (including someone from The Voice that i've never watched, but that somehow lends credibility to the assumption) complaining about being refused entry to nightclubs because, in their opinion, of their skin colour. I must've looked black a few times when I was younger if that's the case... I saw that earlier and did smirk - If I had a pound for everywhere I have been refused entry to I would be a pretty rich man
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| sa_eagle Just outside Cape Town 03 Jun 15 1.53pm |
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Quote Pawson Palace at 03 Jun 2015 12.16pm
Britain is one of the most tolerant countries in the world and I am sick to death of people saying it is otherwise.
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The Sash  Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 03 Jun 15 1.53pm |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Jun 2015 1.38pm
Quote serial thriller at 03 Jun 2015 1.09pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Jun 2015 12.56pm
Britain isn't a racist country. There are some people within the UK that are racist, but that's not a country - You'll find small narrow minded hateful people in most countries.
We are complicit in suffering, be it Chinese workers who make ur electronics, the bombing of Libya influencing the price of our oil, even the repression of local farmers in South America so our middle classes can eat quinoa. We relieve ourselves of guilt in many ways. We point to everyone else doing likewise, the improvements being made in helping these people. But a fundamental justification for our actions remains an idea of racial or national dominance which is pervasive in our very language and customs. Look at how the government are currently promoting 'British values' in schools, whatever they are. Look at the willing ignorance of Islamic culture and its infinite diversity, yet the widespread belief that Islam promotes hatred/extremism. Look at the reaction to the London riots, with even one of our most prominent historians on national television claiming it was due to 'white people becoming black'. The results of this underlying racial understanding is clear for all to see (look at the police's stop and search numbers, the colour of British prisons etc.), but the idea that Britain remains a country which is built upon racism is far more difficult.
IF you take all the world ills, from poverty to war to injustice, and then say they are down to "racism" don't you: 1. oversimplify the world's problems (I think economics, history and culture play a bit of a role too, don't you?) ? Its certainly a word / description that has become diluted
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| DanH SW2 03 Jun 15 2.40pm |
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Quote The Sash at 03 Jun 2015 1.53pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Jun 2015 1.38pm
Quote serial thriller at 03 Jun 2015 1.09pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Jun 2015 12.56pm
Britain isn't a racist country. There are some people within the UK that are racist, but that's not a country - You'll find small narrow minded hateful people in most countries.
We are complicit in suffering, be it Chinese workers who make ur electronics, the bombing of Libya influencing the price of our oil, even the repression of local farmers in South America so our middle classes can eat quinoa. We relieve ourselves of guilt in many ways. We point to everyone else doing likewise, the improvements being made in helping these people. But a fundamental justification for our actions remains an idea of racial or national dominance which is pervasive in our very language and customs. Look at how the government are currently promoting 'British values' in schools, whatever they are. Look at the willing ignorance of Islamic culture and its infinite diversity, yet the widespread belief that Islam promotes hatred/extremism. Look at the reaction to the London riots, with even one of our most prominent historians on national television claiming it was due to 'white people becoming black'. The results of this underlying racial understanding is clear for all to see (look at the police's stop and search numbers, the colour of British prisons etc.), but the idea that Britain remains a country which is built upon racism is far more difficult.
IF you take all the world ills, from poverty to war to injustice, and then say they are down to "racism" don't you: 1. oversimplify the world's problems (I think economics, history and culture play a bit of a role too, don't you?) ? Its certainly a word / description that has become diluted
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| fledgling Beckenham 03 Jun 15 2.41pm |
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Quote DanH at 03 Jun 2015 12.50pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Jun 2015 12.45pm
I mentioned it here. My 2p worth again: By the way, did anyone watch 'Frankie Boyle's Election Autopsy'? Like a lot of BBC comedy it was a bit hit and miss. Clearly the comedians were a bit leftist, anti-UKIP but I don't mind that too much. It's irreverent and anti-politics, although interesting how BBC 'satire' follows EXACTLY the same pattern regardless of channel or programme (Cameron is posh, Miliband useless, Clegg a traitor, Farage a racist) Anyway, did anyone see the monologue about supposedly 'racist to the core' Britain by the rapper guy at the end? It was undoubtedly eloquent and interesting and it was quite well-informed. But it was NOT comedy or satire. It was a bald political statement and went completely unchallenged for a good six or seven minutes. Whether you agree or disagree, it is desperately poor standards from a supposedly impartial broadcaster and I was pretty shocked the BBC put it out.
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 03 Jun 15 2.48pm |
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Quote DanH at 03 Jun 2015 1.09pm
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 03 Jun 2015 12.55pm
Quote DanH at 03 Jun 2015 12.50pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Jun 2015 12.45pm
I mentioned it here. My 2p worth again: By the way, did anyone watch 'Frankie Boyle's Election Autopsy'? Like a lot of BBC comedy it was a bit hit and miss. Clearly the comedians were a bit leftist, anti-UKIP but I don't mind that too much. It's irreverent and anti-politics, although interesting how BBC 'satire' follows EXACTLY the same pattern regardless of channel or programme (Cameron is posh, Miliband useless, Clegg a traitor, Farage a racist) Anyway, did anyone see the monologue about supposedly 'racist to the core' Britain by the rapper guy at the end? It was undoubtedly eloquent and interesting and it was quite well-informed. But it was NOT comedy or satire. It was a bald political statement and went completely unchallenged for a good six or seven minutes. Whether you agree or disagree, it is desperately poor standards from a supposedly impartial broadcaster and I was pretty shocked the BBC put it out.
It was in response to your Doc Brown comment and the theme of racism
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| Stuk Top half 03 Jun 15 3.01pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 03 Jun 2015 1.49pm
Quote The Sash at 03 Jun 2015 1.15pm
Quote Stuk at 03 Jun 2015 1.13pm
No, it's not. A saw a story earlier with some black men (including someone from The Voice that i've never watched, but that somehow lends credibility to the assumption) complaining about being refused entry to nightclubs because, in their opinion, of their skin colour. I must've looked black a few times when I was younger if that's the case... I saw that earlier and did smirk - If I had a pound for everywhere I have been refused entry to I would be a pretty rich man
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Jun 15 3.06pm |
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Quote Stuk at 03 Jun 2015 3.01pm
Quote Kermit8 at 03 Jun 2015 1.49pm
Quote The Sash at 03 Jun 2015 1.15pm
Quote Stuk at 03 Jun 2015 1.13pm
No, it's not. A saw a story earlier with some black men (including someone from The Voice that i've never watched, but that somehow lends credibility to the assumption) complaining about being refused entry to nightclubs because, in their opinion, of their skin colour. I must've looked black a few times when I was younger if that's the case... I saw that earlier and did smirk - If I had a pound for everywhere I have been refused entry to I would be a pretty rich man
I wouldn't be surprised to find that black people might find it difficult to get into certain nightclubs, certainly I'm pretty sure that in certain parts of the country there are venues where being white might be grounds for exclusion. What we all need to do, is avoid these places at all costs.
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| The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 03 Jun 15 3.11pm |
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Quote DanH at 03 Jun 2015 2.40pm
Quote The Sash at 03 Jun 2015 1.53pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Jun 2015 1.38pm
Quote serial thriller at 03 Jun 2015 1.09pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Jun 2015 12.56pm
Britain isn't a racist country. There are some people within the UK that are racist, but that's not a country - You'll find small narrow minded hateful people in most countries.
We are complicit in suffering, be it Chinese workers who make ur electronics, the bombing of Libya influencing the price of our oil, even the repression of local farmers in South America so our middle classes can eat quinoa. We relieve ourselves of guilt in many ways. We point to everyone else doing likewise, the improvements being made in helping these people. But a fundamental justification for our actions remains an idea of racial or national dominance which is pervasive in our very language and customs. Look at how the government are currently promoting 'British values' in schools, whatever they are. Look at the willing ignorance of Islamic culture and its infinite diversity, yet the widespread belief that Islam promotes hatred/extremism. Look at the reaction to the London riots, with even one of our most prominent historians on national television claiming it was due to 'white people becoming black'. The results of this underlying racial understanding is clear for all to see (look at the police's stop and search numbers, the colour of British prisons etc.), but the idea that Britain remains a country which is built upon racism is far more difficult.
IF you take all the world ills, from poverty to war to injustice, and then say they are down to "racism" don't you: 1. oversimplify the world's problems (I think economics, history and culture play a bit of a role too, don't you?) ? Its certainly a word / description that has become diluted
God - 2 terms as Grand Fleagle of the Forest Hill chapter of the KKK and you get called a racist...Let it go already
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| Stuk Top half 03 Jun 15 4.30pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Jun 2015 3.06pm
Quote Stuk at 03 Jun 2015 3.01pm
Quote Kermit8 at 03 Jun 2015 1.49pm
Quote The Sash at 03 Jun 2015 1.15pm
Quote Stuk at 03 Jun 2015 1.13pm
No, it's not. A saw a story earlier with some black men (including someone from The Voice that i've never watched, but that somehow lends credibility to the assumption) complaining about being refused entry to nightclubs because, in their opinion, of their skin colour. I must've looked black a few times when I was younger if that's the case... I saw that earlier and did smirk - If I had a pound for everywhere I have been refused entry to I would be a pretty rich man
I wouldn't be surprised to find that black people might find it difficult to get into certain nightclubs, certainly I'm pretty sure that in certain parts of the country there are venues where being white might be grounds for exclusion. What we all need to do, is avoid these places at all costs.
Anytime I thought the door staff deliberately being dicks I just went elsewhere. They can't be idiots and still receive your custom. Well, not mine.
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the despotic banana  Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 03 Jun 15 4.46pm |
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Quote Stuk at 03 Jun 2015 4.30pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Jun 2015 3.06pm
Quote Stuk at 03 Jun 2015 3.01pm
Quote Kermit8 at 03 Jun 2015 1.49pm
Quote The Sash at 03 Jun 2015 1.15pm
Quote Stuk at 03 Jun 2015 1.13pm
No, it's not. A saw a story earlier with some black men (including someone from The Voice that i've never watched, but that somehow lends credibility to the assumption) complaining about being refused entry to nightclubs because, in their opinion, of their skin colour. I must've looked black a few times when I was younger if that's the case... I saw that earlier and did smirk - If I had a pound for everywhere I have been refused entry to I would be a pretty rich man
I wouldn't be surprised to find that black people might find it difficult to get into certain nightclubs, certainly I'm pretty sure that in certain parts of the country there are venues where being white might be grounds for exclusion. What we all need to do, is avoid these places at all costs.
Anytime I thought the door staff deliberately being dicks I just went elsewhere. They can't be idiots and still receive your custom. Well, not mine.
This proves the whole racism thing.
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