Not wanting to get too involved, I think there are a lot of very sweeping statements going on here. To judge people on one factor is not ever going to work. One of the main criticisms of Marxism is that Marx put forward the criteria of economics as the only divide. What of race? Religion? Gender? etc etc... No single theory can define a person. To pigeon hole every Muslim as so extensively devout as to throw off their national identity is as ludicrous as saying that EVERY person who is on unemployment benefit is cheating the system (literally - not political viewpoints as I understand some would see it in this way regardless).

I'm not saying that all Muslims would choose country over religion, I'm not even saying that a majority would choose Britain over Islam. BUT so long as there is a single Muslim in this country who would choose Britain, you are wrong Cucking...

(and just to add, I totally agree with kicking out the extremists who are taking this country for a ride)

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Firstly, re: the spelling. Moslem (muslim or whatever) is a word that is Arabic in origin and Arabic is a phonetic alphabet and permits a wide variety of interpretations in Western script. Hence the wide variety of spellings. Look at Gadaffi, Qu'adaffi etc.

I beg to differ on your distinctions. Being Jewish is an ethnic issue as well as a religious one. Therefore it is possible to be a Jew yet not a practising one. I can't be 100% certain, but I suspect that Sikhs are people from a particular region, so the ethnic and religious aspects are quite seperate. Being a Christian is largely a matter of choice - it is a statement of belief. People will put C of E down as their religion because it is part of the establishment of this country but seldom is any kind of thought given to actually following it - church attendance figures will bear this out. Islam is also a statement of belief but, as I said, is taken very, very seriously by those who profess it. The proliferation of mosques up and down the country proves the point. I therefore feel fully justified in identifying moslems as being religion-driven as the strictness with which they practise their faith suggests. And, as I said before, I mistrust people who practise any kind of faith which offers no flexibility or freedom to question.

As I said earlier, if you have a captive audience, you are selling them what they want and you are aloud to get away with it, anything can happen.

This is not something dictated by religious, cultural or ethic lines, it is human nature.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

How many Christians these days are prepared to kill or be killed for their faith?

Edited by Cucking Funt (09 Mar 2004 2:51pm)

What else is a moslem other than a religious devotee? And moslems take their faith very seriously, as you know. It's very different to the way christians describe themselves, again, as you well know. I sense that you know my answer to these questions before you ask them....

Again I'm a Muslim and I'm not a 'religious devotee'. You can't stereotype every Muslim in the world and say they are all Religious Devotees because its bollox!

Most organised religions have developed as a way of controlling the masses and establishing a power base. It's no coincidence that most of the worst atrocities committed by our species have been perpetrated in the name of religion.

Religious beliefs are readily accepted by many to overcome their own fear of dying. A kind of 'comfort blanket'. No coincidence that people become more religious as they get closer to death. Might as well hedge your bets I guess.

To achieve a better world we need less religion and more morals. In my view the two rarely go hand in hand despite a faith's published agenda.