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 lankygit  Lincoln 06 Mar 15 11.21pm |
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Quote kersal at 06 Mar 2015 11.05pm
To say that Christian crusades from Europe took place to take back what was rightfully theirs is diverting the attention away. I would have agreed more with that statement if Crusades were limited to the Byzantine armies, who controlled Jerusalem previously. Secondly, my point about cluelessness was on claiming 400 million radicals and potentially extending it to today's dynamics around Muslim sects and Middle Eastern minorities. If we were sitting across one another, I would have loved to tell you all I know about this topic, but it is way too complex. My goal in my post was not to teach what's happening in detail but to prevent things that are not really happening from being said. It was just a "whoa guys, hold on, there is a lot more to it than you think" sort of a heads-up. Quoting me in the sarcastic ways that you did does not really corner me. You are extremely selective in your response and not constructively so, either. kersal, I didn`t say the christian crusades took place to take back what was "rightfully" theirs. I merely put it forward to highlight the fact that they were no worse than the muslim invasions of the 7th century. A fact you conveniently omitted. Secondly I agree that labelling 25% of all muslims as radical is madness. I`d be both surprised and disappointed if it was 2.5%. Further,please do not think I percieve muslims as lesser than anyone else. I think religion in general is one of the biggest tragedies to blight mankind.
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kersal  London 06 Mar 15 11.44pm |
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Quote lankygit at 06 Mar 2015 11.21pm
Quote kersal at 06 Mar 2015 11.05pm
To say that Christian crusades from Europe took place to take back what was rightfully theirs is diverting the attention away. I would have agreed more with that statement if Crusades were limited to the Byzantine armies, who controlled Jerusalem previously. Secondly, my point about cluelessness was on claiming 400 million radicals and potentially extending it to today's dynamics around Muslim sects and Middle Eastern minorities. If we were sitting across one another, I would have loved to tell you all I know about this topic, but it is way too complex. My goal in my post was not to teach what's happening in detail but to prevent things that are not really happening from being said. It was just a "whoa guys, hold on, there is a lot more to it than you think" sort of a heads-up. Quoting me in the sarcastic ways that you did does not really corner me. You are extremely selective in your response and not constructively so, either. kersal, I didn`t say the christian crusades took place to take back what was "rightfully" theirs. I merely put it forward to highlight the fact that they were no worse than the muslim invasions of the 7th century. A fact you conveniently omitted. Secondly I agree that labelling 25% of all muslims as radical is madness. I`d be both surprised and disappointed if it was 2.5%. Further,please do not think I percieve muslims as lesser than anyone else. I think religion in general is one of the biggest tragedies to blight mankind in general. Thanks, I understand. Please know that I wasn't trying to be selectively protagonistic at all to any side. Or omitting facts conveniently. I have no pro-Muslim or pro-Christian objectives. I do not believe in God and I am not a part of a community that is associated with believing or not believing in God. I agree with your last sentence. Anything that's open to interpretations will always be manipulated by the more powerful to mobilize the less powerful.
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| lankygit Lincoln 07 Mar 15 12.18am |
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Quote kersal at 06 Mar 2015 11.44pm
Quote lankygit at 06 Mar 2015 11.21pm
Quote kersal at 06 Mar 2015 11.05pm
To say that Christian crusades from Europe took place to take back what was rightfully theirs is diverting the attention away. I would have agreed more with that statement if Crusades were limited to the Byzantine armies, who controlled Jerusalem previously. Secondly, my point about cluelessness was on claiming 400 million radicals and potentially extending it to today's dynamics around Muslim sects and Middle Eastern minorities. If we were sitting across one another, I would have loved to tell you all I know about this topic, but it is way too complex. My goal in my post was not to teach what's happening in detail but to prevent things that are not really happening from being said. It was just a "whoa guys, hold on, there is a lot more to it than you think" sort of a heads-up. Quoting me in the sarcastic ways that you did does not really corner me. You are extremely selective in your response and not constructively so, either. kersal, I didn`t say the christian crusades took place to take back what was "rightfully" theirs. I merely put it forward to highlight the fact that they were no worse than the muslim invasions of the 7th century. A fact you conveniently omitted. Secondly I agree that labelling 25% of all muslims as radical is madness. I`d be both surprised and disappointed if it was 2.5%. Further,please do not think I percieve muslims as lesser than anyone else. I think religion in general is one of the biggest tragedies to blight mankind in general. Thanks, I understand. Please know that I wasn't trying to be selectively protagonistic at all to any side. Or omitting facts conveniently. I have no pro-Muslim or pro-Christian objectives. I do not believe in God and I am not a part of a community that is associated with believing or not believing in God. I agree with your last sentence. Anything that's open to interpretations will always be manipulated by the more powerful to mobilize the less powerful.
Sorry if I came across as sarcastic there as well, I didn`t mean to.
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| Hoof Hearted 07 Mar 15 9.15am | |
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Any of you seen these on people's front doors? Is it a muslim thing?
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 07 Mar 2015 9.15am
Any of you seen these on people's front doors? Is it a muslim thing? I don't know its sources but today it's almost exclusively a Turkish thing. It's called a nazar bead. It's to protect from the envious eyes of others - thus the name evil eye. This envy / jealousy component of the evil eye is quite central to the artifact's purpose. Usually very small ones are pinned to baby's clothes, hidden under pillows, big ones are put on cars and trucks, sometimes on doors, etc. "Just to be safe", I keep one under my 2 yo son's bed and he doesn't know it. I am an idiot to believe in stuff like this, but tradition won in this case
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Seth  On a pale blue dot 07 Mar 15 5.26pm |
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Quote kersal at 07 Mar 2015 9.36am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 07 Mar 2015 9.15am
Any of you seen these on people's front doors? Is it a muslim thing? I don't know its sources but today it's almost exclusively a Turkish thing. It's called a nazar bead. It's to protect from the envious eyes of others - thus the name evil eye. This envy / jealousy component of the evil eye is quite central to the artifact's purpose. Usually very small ones are pinned to baby's clothes, hidden under pillows, big ones are put on cars and trucks, sometimes on doors, etc. "Just to be safe", I keep one under my 2 yo son's bed and he doesn't know it. I am an idiot to believe in stuff like this, but tradition won in this case I've got one from my holiday in Bodrum (Turkey) a few years back. I have it hanging in my house to ward off my missus's evil eye From wiki: A nazar (Turkish: nazar boncuğu Old Turkic: gökçe munçuk) is an eye-shaped amulet believed to protect against the evil eye ("evil eye", from nazar and "amulet" from boncuğu). The word "nazar" is derived from the Arabic نظر, "sight" or "seeing". In Turkish, it is also called Munçuk. The Turkish boncuk (sometimes called a göz boncuğu 'eye bead') is a glass bead characterized by a blue glass field with a blue or black dot superimposed on a white or yellow center. Historically old, the blue bead has gained importance as an item of popular culture in Modern Turkey. The bead probably originated in the Mediterranean and is associated with the development of glass making. Written documents and extant beads date as early as the 16th century BC. Glass beads were made and widely used throughout the ancient world: from Mesopotamia to Egypt, from Phoenicia to Persia, and throughout the Roman imperial period.
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| Vaibow vancouver/croydon 07 Mar 15 7.03pm |
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Will there be a time where religion in general is banned? Religion is all about faith. Faith that events actually took place with the belief that there is a 'god'. Many conspiracists believe that the world will eventually have one government and one religion. Many do not like this idea, some seem to think it could work. I just think it is a shame that people kill and abuse in the name of religion. Without sounding too preachy myself, why can't we just show mutual respect and treat others with respect and how we would like to be treated ourselves. I think it all boils down to governments failing society, creating anger and distrust, people get lost in it all and look for outlets to vent their anger. Some go to war, to have a sense of purpose. Some decide to protest. Some find solace in standing behind a football team and being part of that community. Some look towards religion.
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| johnfirewall 07 Mar 15 10.04pm |
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Regardless of the general stance, there's one group of maniacs with 50,000 Twitter accounts and another entire group of maniacs backing them. All with the same vile aims which amount to indiscriminate murder. The IRA may have had some numbers but had a more specific target. While these groups have a common cause there needs to be greater opposition from those with the same beliefs.
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| Vaibow vancouver/croydon 07 Mar 15 10.11pm |
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Quote johnfirewall at 07 Mar 2015 10.04pm
Regardless of the general stance, there's one group of maniacs with 50,000 Twitter accounts and another entire group of maniacs backing them. All with the same vile aims which amount to indiscriminate murder. The IRA may have had some numbers but had a more specific target. While these groups have a common cause there needs to be greater opposition from those with the same beliefs. I just don't get the lack of respect they show to non believers. If i wanted everyone to follow a religion, i wouldn't threaten them into doing it, that's for sure.
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| johnfirewall 07 Mar 15 10.28pm |
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Quote Vaibow at 07 Mar 2015 10.11pm
Quote johnfirewall at 07 Mar 2015 10.04pm
Regardless of the general stance, there's one group of maniacs with 50,000 Twitter accounts and another entire group of maniacs backing them. All with the same vile aims which amount to indiscriminate murder. The IRA may have had some numbers but had a more specific target. While these groups have a common cause there needs to be greater opposition from those with the same beliefs. I just don't get the lack of respect they show to non believers. If i wanted everyone to follow a religion, i wouldn't threaten them into doing it, that's for sure. I'm not sure a group of nutjobs have a unified approach to recruitment but they have adopted something slightly different with the jihadi brides and the angle they went down portraying garden centres and other nice stuff. Another headline, 'ISIS lures women with kittens and Nutella' Just for the benefit of the ladies but this is actually the most sickening part to imagine that reproduction is one of their main aims.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Mar 15 10.06am |
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Quote Vaibow at 07 Mar 2015 10.11pm
Quote johnfirewall at 07 Mar 2015 10.04pm
Regardless of the general stance, there's one group of maniacs with 50,000 Twitter accounts and another entire group of maniacs backing them. All with the same vile aims which amount to indiscriminate murder. The IRA may have had some numbers but had a more specific target. While these groups have a common cause there needs to be greater opposition from those with the same beliefs. I just don't get the lack of respect they show to non believers. If i wanted everyone to follow a religion, i wouldn't threaten them into doing it, that's for sure. That's because they're cruel and callous, not spiritual. Their interest is in obtaining control and power over others, not spiritual enlightenment and fulfillment. The religion is just the 'justification and rallying point'. The reality is that they've more in common with a death cult, than Islam.
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| silvertop Portishead 09 Mar 15 11.14am |
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Quote johnfirewall at 07 Mar 2015 10.28pm
Quote Vaibow at 07 Mar 2015 10.11pm
Quote johnfirewall at 07 Mar 2015 10.04pm
Regardless of the general stance, there's one group of maniacs with 50,000 Twitter accounts and another entire group of maniacs backing them. All with the same vile aims which amount to indiscriminate murder. The IRA may have had some numbers but had a more specific target. While these groups have a common cause there needs to be greater opposition from those with the same beliefs. I just don't get the lack of respect they show to non believers. If i wanted everyone to follow a religion, i wouldn't threaten them into doing it, that's for sure. I'm not sure a group of nutjobs have a unified approach to recruitment but they have adopted something slightly different with the jihadi brides and the angle they went down portraying garden centres and other nice stuff. Another headline, 'ISIS lures women with kittens and Nutella' Just for the benefit of the ladies but this is actually the most sickening part to imagine that reproduction is one of their main aims.
I could go on. All are justified by the religions on one ground or another [the sanctity of life etc.]. However, it is all about increasing the numbers. Thus, is IS any different in this respect from, say, the Catholic Church?
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