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Hoof Hearted 16 Feb 15 2.35pm

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“Today it is still possible to leave school, sign on, find a flat, start claiming housing benefit and opt for a life on benefits. It’s time for bold action here,” he said. “We should ask, as we write our next manifesto, if that option should really exist at all.”

Also, this article is from 2013.

Its a shame that its not as possible though to leave school, find a job and afford to rent a flat. I wonder why people opt for the first scenario, when a tiny one bedroom flat around our way will set you back 750-1000 a month (or at least 350-400 a month in a shared house).

And that's before you throw in council tax, utilities and food.

Good luck affording one if you're a school leaver (or even a university graduate).


That's nothin new though. When I moved down to London in the mid 80s I was in a bedsit paying £60 a week when I only earned £120. I just had to suck it up and wait until I could afford to move.

I agree something needs to be done to make it easier but equally the sense of entitlement that a lot of people have needs to change.

That's half your weekly income. 750 quid is likely 3/4 plus of the likely income of a school leaver etc. And this is Reading, not London.

Somewhere affordable to live isn't 'self entitlement' its a necessity (especially when you'll need to pony up two months deposit and agency fees, likely another grand up front).

Its hardly surprising that people opt for the housing benefit route, rather than work 40 hours a week to be in debt at the end of the month.



Why should school leavers need somewhere to live?

I left school and lived with my parents till aged 22 when I had saved up enough for a deposit on my first house.

Not everyone is lucky enough to have parents that support them beyond their teenage years though.


Edited by imbored (16 Feb 2015 12.50pm)


They didn't support me.

It was made very clear to me that to stay in their house I had to get a job, pay them rent at the going rate and clear up after myself and take a fair share of the other household tasks.

Was the going rate, almost everything you earned plus food and bills. My parents were fairly 'serious' when I got my first job, I paid about a quarter of my take home a month in 'keep'.



My mum was Scottish... I didn't dare tell her I had a pay rise, as she'd put my rent up again.

I worked overtime to put cash away for a deposit on a house.

 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 16 Feb 15 2.36pm

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“Today it is still possible to leave school, sign on, find a flat, start claiming housing benefit and opt for a life on benefits. It’s time for bold action here,” he said. “We should ask, as we write our next manifesto, if that option should really exist at all.”

Also, this article is from 2013.

Its a shame that its not as possible though to leave school, find a job and afford to rent a flat. I wonder why people opt for the first scenario, when a tiny one bedroom flat around our way will set you back 750-1000 a month (or at least 350-400 a month in a shared house).

And that's before you throw in council tax, utilities and food.

Good luck affording one if you're a school leaver (or even a university graduate).


That's nothin new though. When I moved down to London in the mid 80s I was in a bedsit paying £60 a week when I only earned £120. I just had to suck it up and wait until I could afford to move.

I agree something needs to be done to make it easier but equally the sense of entitlement that a lot of people have needs to change.

That's half your weekly income. 750 quid is likely 3/4 plus of the likely income of a school leaver etc. And this is Reading, not London.

Somewhere affordable to live isn't 'self entitlement' its a necessity (especially when you'll need to pony up two months deposit and agency fees, likely another grand up front).

Its hardly surprising that people opt for the housing benefit route, rather than work 40 hours a week to be in debt at the end of the month.



Why should school leavers need somewhere to live?

I left school and lived with my parents till aged 22 when I had saved up enough for a deposit on my first house.

Not everyone is lucky enough to have parents that support them beyond their teenage years though.


Edited by imbored (16 Feb 2015 12.50pm)


They didn't support me.

It was made very clear to me that to stay in their house I had to get a job, pay them rent at the going rate and clear up after myself and take a fair share of the other household tasks.

Was the going rate, almost everything you earned plus food and bills. My parents were fairly 'serious' when I got my first job, I paid about a quarter of my take home a month in 'keep'.



When you think about it, it's an investment for later inheritance

Fair if you ask me

 


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“Today it is still possible to leave school, sign on, find a flat, start claiming housing benefit and opt for a life on benefits. It’s time for bold action here,” he said. “We should ask, as we write our next manifesto, if that option should really exist at all.”

Also, this article is from 2013.

Its a shame that its not as possible though to leave school, find a job and afford to rent a flat. I wonder why people opt for the first scenario, when a tiny one bedroom flat around our way will set you back 750-1000 a month (or at least 350-400 a month in a shared house).

And that's before you throw in council tax, utilities and food.

Good luck affording one if you're a school leaver (or even a university graduate).


That's nothin new though. When I moved down to London in the mid 80s I was in a bedsit paying £60 a week when I only earned £120. I just had to suck it up and wait until I could afford to move.

I agree something needs to be done to make it easier but equally the sense of entitlement that a lot of people have needs to change.

That's half your weekly income. 750 quid is likely 3/4 plus of the likely income of a school leaver etc. And this is Reading, not London.

Somewhere affordable to live isn't 'self entitlement' its a necessity (especially when you'll need to pony up two months deposit and agency fees, likely another grand up front).

Its hardly surprising that people opt for the housing benefit route, rather than work 40 hours a week to be in debt at the end of the month.



Why should school leavers need somewhere to live?

I left school and lived with my parents till aged 22 when I had saved up enough for a deposit on my first house.

Not everyone is lucky enough to have parents that support them beyond their teenage years though.


Edited by imbored (16 Feb 2015 12.50pm)


They didn't support me.

It was made very clear to me that to stay in their house I had to get a job, pay them rent at the going rate and clear up after myself and take a fair share of the other household tasks.

Was the going rate, almost everything you earned plus food and bills. My parents were fairly 'serious' when I got my first job, I paid about a quarter of my take home a month in 'keep'.


Same here. As soon as I was earning, the parents got 25% in "housekeeping".

 


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imbored Flag UK 16 Feb 15 2.46pm

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“Today it is still possible to leave school, sign on, find a flat, start claiming housing benefit and opt for a life on benefits. It’s time for bold action here,” he said. “We should ask, as we write our next manifesto, if that option should really exist at all.”

Also, this article is from 2013.

Its a shame that its not as possible though to leave school, find a job and afford to rent a flat. I wonder why people opt for the first scenario, when a tiny one bedroom flat around our way will set you back 750-1000 a month (or at least 350-400 a month in a shared house).

And that's before you throw in council tax, utilities and food.

Good luck affording one if you're a school leaver (or even a university graduate).


That's nothin new though. When I moved down to London in the mid 80s I was in a bedsit paying £60 a week when I only earned £120. I just had to suck it up and wait until I could afford to move.

I agree something needs to be done to make it easier but equally the sense of entitlement that a lot of people have needs to change.

That's half your weekly income. 750 quid is likely 3/4 plus of the likely income of a school leaver etc. And this is Reading, not London.

Somewhere affordable to live isn't 'self entitlement' its a necessity (especially when you'll need to pony up two months deposit and agency fees, likely another grand up front).

Its hardly surprising that people opt for the housing benefit route, rather than work 40 hours a week to be in debt at the end of the month.



Why should school leavers need somewhere to live?

I left school and lived with my parents till aged 22 when I had saved up enough for a deposit on my first house.

Not everyone is lucky enough to have parents that support them beyond their teenage years though.


Edited by imbored (16 Feb 2015 12.50pm)


They didn't support me.

It was made very clear to me that to stay in their house I had to get a job, pay them rent at the going rate and clear up after myself and take a fair share of the other household tasks.


Oh thanks for clearing that up. So in a sense staying was a way of keeping money within the family rather than paying it to someone else. I can see the logic in that. Whenever I've rented there was a sense that I was throwing my money away.

 

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Hoof Hearted 16 Feb 15 2.50pm

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“Today it is still possible to leave school, sign on, find a flat, start claiming housing benefit and opt for a life on benefits. It’s time for bold action here,” he said. “We should ask, as we write our next manifesto, if that option should really exist at all.”

Also, this article is from 2013.

Its a shame that its not as possible though to leave school, find a job and afford to rent a flat. I wonder why people opt for the first scenario, when a tiny one bedroom flat around our way will set you back 750-1000 a month (or at least 350-400 a month in a shared house).

And that's before you throw in council tax, utilities and food.

Good luck affording one if you're a school leaver (or even a university graduate).


That's nothin new though. When I moved down to London in the mid 80s I was in a bedsit paying £60 a week when I only earned £120. I just had to suck it up and wait until I could afford to move.

I agree something needs to be done to make it easier but equally the sense of entitlement that a lot of people have needs to change.

That's half your weekly income. 750 quid is likely 3/4 plus of the likely income of a school leaver etc. And this is Reading, not London.

Somewhere affordable to live isn't 'self entitlement' its a necessity (especially when you'll need to pony up two months deposit and agency fees, likely another grand up front).

Its hardly surprising that people opt for the housing benefit route, rather than work 40 hours a week to be in debt at the end of the month.



Why should school leavers need somewhere to live?

I left school and lived with my parents till aged 22 when I had saved up enough for a deposit on my first house.

Not everyone is lucky enough to have parents that support them beyond their teenage years though.


Edited by imbored (16 Feb 2015 12.50pm)


They didn't support me.

It was made very clear to me that to stay in their house I had to get a job, pay them rent at the going rate and clear up after myself and take a fair share of the other household tasks.


Oh thanks for clearing that up. So in a sense staying was a way of keeping money within the family rather than paying it to someone else. I can see the logic in that. Whenever I've rented there was a sense that I was throwing my money away.


You didn't know my mum.... she was a tyrant and saw me paying rent as a bonus to her.

Renting is throwing money away whoever your landlord is.

That's why I saved up and moved out as soon as I could.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Feb 15 2.56pm

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My mum was Scottish... I didn't dare tell her I had a pay rise, as she'd put my rent up again.

I worked overtime to put cash away for a deposit on a house.

Wow, I'll be honest, the 75% I had left over after 'keep, was generally spent on booze, drugs, books and getting laid, the rest I wasted frivolously.

One of the great things about earning a living at 18, when your mates are all at college, its really easy to impress girls.


 


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Hoof Hearted 16 Feb 15 3.04pm

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My mum was Scottish... I didn't dare tell her I had a pay rise, as she'd put my rent up again.

I worked overtime to put cash away for a deposit on a house.

Wow, I'll be honest, the 75% I had left over after 'keep, was generally spent on booze, drugs, books and getting laid, the rest I wasted frivolously.

One of the great things about earning a living at 18, when your mates are all at college, its really easy to impress girls.



Fair play to you Jamie.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Feb 15 3.22pm

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Renting is throwing money away whoever your landlord is.

That's why I saved up and moved out as soon as I could.

Yeah, I do kind of wish I'd actually realized that when I was younger. Problem with buying a property now (I'm older) is that not having kids, I'm still going to end up making someone else money.

Wasn't so bad, when the cost of rent wasn't on a par with the price of a mortgage.


 


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“Today it is still possible to leave school, sign on, find a flat, start claiming housing benefit and opt for a life on benefits. It’s time for bold action here,” he said. “We should ask, as we write our next manifesto, if that option should really exist at all.”

Also, this article is from 2013.

Its a shame that its not as possible though to leave school, find a job and afford to rent a flat. I wonder why people opt for the first scenario, when a tiny one bedroom flat around our way will set you back 750-1000 a month (or at least 350-400 a month in a shared house).

And that's before you throw in council tax, utilities and food.

Good luck affording one if you're a school leaver (or even a university graduate).


That's nothin new though. When I moved down to London in the mid 80s I was in a bedsit paying £60 a week when I only earned £120. I just had to suck it up and wait until I could afford to move.

I agree something needs to be done to make it easier but equally the sense of entitlement that a lot of people have needs to change.

That's half your weekly income. 750 quid is likely 3/4 plus of the likely income of a school leaver etc. And this is Reading, not London.

Somewhere affordable to live isn't 'self entitlement' its a necessity (especially when you'll need to pony up two months deposit and agency fees, likely another grand up front).

Its hardly surprising that people opt for the housing benefit route, rather than work 40 hours a week to be in debt at the end of the month.


After tax I had about £100. Throw in weekly travel card and I didn't have much. I agree that there should be some more support but equally too many people have lost any oomph.

You can sit back and moan about how s*** life is or you can try and do something about it. That takes a bit of sacrifice sometimes. You may even need a bit of luck one thing for sure is sitting back cashing your girl will achieve nothing.

Too many people look at what others have got and want the same without the graft.

 


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1982 I had to give half my fortnightly dole money to the olds for my keep.

Luckily for me I was temping at the time too.

 


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So the proposal is that the state will no longer provide benefits if you leave home, don't have a job and you're aged under 25. But if you stay in education and are aged under 25, you will be supported. What's not to like?

 

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