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We are goin up! Coulsdon 06 Mar 15 6.26pm
Quote imbored at 06 Mar 2015 6.14pm Quote Ian J at 06 Mar 2015 6.06pm Quote imbored at 06 Mar 2015 5.46pm The debates were extremely popular with the public last time around and people clearly want them to be a mainstay. Surely that can only happen if those supposedly representing us - and all for these debates in the past - show up. Whether Cameron or any other leader personally dislikes the idea is irrelevant to me. The situation is different this time as David Cameron is far more popular than Ed Miliband so there is nothing in it for him to debate publically whereas Gordon Brown was hugely unpopular with the general public and hoped that a public debate might increase his chances of winning the election But if we, the public, feel that these debates should happen every election, it's not different at all because strategic moves to avoid it become a non starter. This is likely what will happen long term, much like the situation in the US. Edited by imbored (06 Mar 2015 6.15pm) Just because the media tell us it's what the public want (which they would, duh), doesn't mean it actually is. Personally, I think these debates become a personality contest and an exercise in who can look into the camera best or some such nonsense. I would rather see politicians making speeches on actual policy around the country, rather than meaningless point scoring against each other. The whole thing has turned into a bit of a farce. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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The debates were extremely popular with the public last time around and people clearly want them to be a mainstay. Surely that can only happen if those supposedly representing us - and all for these debates in the past - show up. Whether Cameron or any other leader personally dislikes the idea is irrelevant to me.

The situation is different this time as David Cameron is far more popular than Ed Miliband so there is nothing in it for him to debate publically whereas Gordon Brown was hugely unpopular with the general public and hoped that a public debate might increase his chances of winning the election

But if we, the public, feel that these debates should happen every election, it's not different at all because strategic moves to avoid it become a non starter. This is likely what will happen long term, much like the situation in the US.

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Just because the media tell us it's what the public want (which they would, duh), doesn't mean it actually is. Personally, I think these debates become a personality contest and an exercise in who can look into the camera best or some such nonsense. I would rather see politicians making speeches on actual policy around the country, rather than meaningless point scoring against each other. The whole thing has turned into a bit of a farce.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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imbored UK 06 Mar 15 6.36pm
Quote We are goin up! at 06 Mar 2015 6.26pm Quote imbored at 06 Mar 2015 6.14pm Quote Ian J at 06 Mar 2015 6.06pm Quote imbored at 06 Mar 2015 5.46pm The debates were extremely popular with the public last time around and people clearly want them to be a mainstay. Surely that can only happen if those supposedly representing us - and all for these debates in the past - show up. Whether Cameron or any other leader personally dislikes the idea is irrelevant to me. The situation is different this time as David Cameron is far more popular than Ed Miliband so there is nothing in it for him to debate publically whereas Gordon Brown was hugely unpopular with the general public and hoped that a public debate might increase his chances of winning the election But if we, the public, feel that these debates should happen every election, it's not different at all because strategic moves to avoid it become a non starter. This is likely what will happen long term, much like the situation in the US. Edited by imbored (06 Mar 2015 6.15pm) Just because the media tell us it's what the public want (which they would, duh), doesn't mean it actually is. Personally, I think these debates become a personality contest and an exercise in who can look into the camera best or some such nonsense. I would rather see politicians making speeches on actual policy around the country, rather than meaningless point scoring against each other. The whole thing has turned into a bit of a farce. If ten people tunes in, instead of the ten million that watched the first debate last time around I'm sure I'd be inclined to agree with you. And this is at a time when people aren't particularly politically engaged. Besides it's not just the media that want these debates, logically it will be the leaders of most political parties that want them too each time around too. Edited by imbored (06 Mar 2015 6.38pm)
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If ten people tunes in, instead of the ten million that watched the first debate last time around I'm sure I'd be inclined to agree with you. And this is at a time when people aren't particularly politically engaged.

Besides it's not just the media that want these debates, logically it will be the leaders of most political parties that want them too each time around too.

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We are goin up! Coulsdon 06 Mar 15 7.19pm
Quote imbored at 06 Mar 2015 6.36pm Quote We are goin up! at 06 Mar 2015 6.26pm Quote imbored at 06 Mar 2015 6.14pm Quote Ian J at 06 Mar 2015 6.06pm Quote imbored at 06 Mar 2015 5.46pm The debates were extremely popular with the public last time around and people clearly want them to be a mainstay. Surely that can only happen if those supposedly representing us - and all for these debates in the past - show up. Whether Cameron or any other leader personally dislikes the idea is irrelevant to me. The situation is different this time as David Cameron is far more popular than Ed Miliband so there is nothing in it for him to debate publically whereas Gordon Brown was hugely unpopular with the general public and hoped that a public debate might increase his chances of winning the election But if we, the public, feel that these debates should happen every election, it's not different at all because strategic moves to avoid it become a non starter. This is likely what will happen long term, much like the situation in the US. Edited by imbored (06 Mar 2015 6.15pm) Just because the media tell us it's what the public want (which they would, duh), doesn't mean it actually is. Personally, I think these debates become a personality contest and an exercise in who can look into the camera best or some such nonsense. I would rather see politicians making speeches on actual policy around the country, rather than meaningless point scoring against each other. The whole thing has turned into a bit of a farce. If ten people tunes in, instead of the ten million that watched the first debate last time around I'm sure I'd be inclined to agree with you. And this is at a time when people aren't particularly politically engaged. Besides it's not just the media that want these debates, logically it will be the leaders of most political parties that want them too each time around too. Edited by imbored (06 Mar 2015 6.38pm) Just because people watch it doesn't make it a good idea! I'll watch it because I'm interested and engaged in politics. Thankfully, I'm interested and engaged enough to realise what a sham these debates would be. Have you ever watched Question Time? It's become a complete joke, this is just a more high profile of QT. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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Besides it's not just the media that want these debates, logically it will be the leaders of most political parties that want them too each time around too.

Edited by imbored (06 Mar 2015 6.38pm)

Just because people watch it doesn't make it a good idea! I'll watch it because I'm interested and engaged in politics. Thankfully, I'm interested and engaged enough to realise what a sham these debates would be. Have you ever watched Question Time? It's become a complete joke, this is just a more high profile of QT.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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moaner Westerham 06 Mar 15 7.47pm
Quote Stuk at 22 Jan 2015 4.40pm I can't remember where all the rest was posted so started a new thread. The BBC and ITV have now gone OTT and invited the Greens and the regional nutters too. [Link] 7 people on stage will be a pointless exercise. TV companies just want to fill their screens. Their too big for their boots. Showing and Indian rapist on the TV explaining how women should remain quiet and accept rape is disgraceful. They want to control what we see and hear and influence the outcome of the election. Stuff their debates Everyone is entitled to my opinions
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Westerham 06 Mar 15 7.47pm

Quote Stuk at 22 Jan 2015 4.40pm

I can't remember where all the rest was posted so started a new thread.

The BBC and ITV have now gone OTT and invited the Greens and the regional nutters too.

[Link]

7 people on stage will be a pointless exercise.

TV companies just want to fill their screens. Their too big for their boots. Showing and Indian rapist on the TV explaining how women should remain quiet and accept rape is disgraceful. They want to control what we see and hear and influence the outcome of the election. Stuff their debates

Everyone is entitled to my opinions

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imbored UK 06 Mar 15 7.59pm
Quote We are goin up! at 06 Mar 2015 7.19pm Quote imbored at 06 Mar 2015 6.36pm Quote We are goin up! at 06 Mar 2015 6.26pm Quote imbored at 06 Mar 2015 6.14pm Quote Ian J at 06 Mar 2015 6.06pm Quote imbored at 06 Mar 2015 5.46pm The debates were extremely popular with the public last time around and people clearly want them to be a mainstay. Surely that can only happen if those supposedly representing us - and all for these debates in the past - show up. Whether Cameron or any other leader personally dislikes the idea is irrelevant to me. The situation is different this time as David Cameron is far more popular than Ed Miliband so there is nothing in it for him to debate publically whereas Gordon Brown was hugely unpopular with the general public and hoped that a public debate might increase his chances of winning the election But if we, the public, feel that these debates should happen every election, it's not different at all because strategic moves to avoid it become a non starter. This is likely what will happen long term, much like the situation in the US. Edited by imbored (06 Mar 2015 6.15pm) Just because the media tell us it's what the public want (which they would, duh), doesn't mean it actually is. Personally, I think these debates become a personality contest and an exercise in who can look into the camera best or some such nonsense. I would rather see politicians making speeches on actual policy around the country, rather than meaningless point scoring against each other. The whole thing has turned into a bit of a farce. If ten people tunes in, instead of the ten million that watched the first debate last time around I'm sure I'd be inclined to agree with you. And this is at a time when people aren't particularly politically engaged. Besides it's not just the media that want these debates, logically it will be the leaders of most political parties that want them too each time around too. Edited by imbored (06 Mar 2015 6.38pm) Just because people watch it doesn't make it a good idea! I'll watch it because I'm interested and engaged in politics. Thankfully, I'm interested and engaged enough to realise what a sham these debates would be. Have you ever watched Question Time? It's become a complete joke, this is just a more high profile of QT. I'm just saying that there's evidence backing up that there's a lot of public support for these debates. When all's said and done Cameron was very badly advised and should've seen this coming. Edited by imbored (06 Mar 2015 8.18pm)
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UK 06 Mar 15 7.59pm

Quote We are goin up! at 06 Mar 2015 7.19pm

Quote imbored at 06 Mar 2015 6.36pm

Quote We are goin up! at 06 Mar 2015 6.26pm

Quote imbored at 06 Mar 2015 6.14pm

Quote Ian J at 06 Mar 2015 6.06pm

Quote imbored at 06 Mar 2015 5.46pm

Edited by imbored (06 Mar 2015 6.15pm)

Besides it's not just the media that want these debates, logically it will be the leaders of most political parties that want them too each time around too.

Edited by imbored (06 Mar 2015 6.38pm)

Just because people watch it doesn't make it a good idea! I'll watch it because I'm interested and engaged in politics. Thankfully, I'm interested and engaged enough to realise what a sham these debates would be. Have you ever watched Question Time? It's become a complete joke, this is just a more high profile of QT.

I'm just saying that there's evidence backing up that there's a lot of public support for these debates. When all's said and done Cameron was very badly advised and should've seen this coming.

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imbored UK 06 Mar 15 8.02pm
Quote moaner at 06 Mar 2015 7.47pm Quote Stuk at 22 Jan 2015 4.40pm I can't remember where all the rest was posted so started a new thread. The BBC and ITV have now gone OTT and invited the Greens and the regional nutters too. [Link] 7 people on stage will be a pointless exercise. TV companies just want to fill their screens. Their too big for their boots. Showing and Indian rapist on the TV explaining how women should remain quiet and accept rape is disgraceful. They want to control what we see and hear and influence the outcome of the election. Stuff their debates I didn't see it, but I'm going to go out of a limb and say that they were condemning his behaviour rather than supporting it. We shouldn't shy away from the reality of how disgusting it was that a woman was treated this way. Even her Father supports the documentary.
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UK 06 Mar 15 8.02pm

Quote moaner at 06 Mar 2015 7.47pm

Quote Stuk at 22 Jan 2015 4.40pm

I can't remember where all the rest was posted so started a new thread.

The BBC and ITV have now gone OTT and invited the Greens and the regional nutters too.

[Link]

7 people on stage will be a pointless exercise.

TV companies just want to fill their screens. Their too big for their boots. Showing and Indian rapist on the TV explaining how women should remain quiet and accept rape is disgraceful. They want to control what we see and hear and influence the outcome of the election. Stuff their debates

I didn't see it, but I'm going to go out of a limb and say that they were condemning his behaviour rather than supporting it. We shouldn't shy away from the reality of how disgusting it was that a woman was treated this way. Even her Father supports the documentary.

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imbored UK 06 Mar 15 8.20pm
From BBC news: "My feeling is that he [David Cameron] is not going to do the second seven-way debate, I think that's pretty clear, so the BBC will have a rather awkward decision to make as to whether to make it a six-way debate. I don't think Sky and Channel 4 can possibly empty chair the prime minister in a two-handed debate; it then turns into an interview with Ed Miliband, and under the Ofcom code of conduct they would then have to offer Cameron his own 90-minute interview with or without an empty chair."
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From BBC news:

"My feeling is that he [David Cameron] is not going to do the second seven-way debate, I think that's pretty clear, so the BBC will have a rather awkward decision to make as to whether to make it a six-way debate. I don't think Sky and Channel 4 can possibly empty chair the prime minister in a two-handed debate; it then turns into an interview with Ed Miliband, and under the Ofcom code of conduct they would then have to offer Cameron his own 90-minute interview with or without an empty chair."

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rob1969 Banstead Surrey 06 Mar 15 8.41pm
Just another reality show - why don't we telephone vote and the leaders with the lowest votes drop out till only two left. Then more votes and the winner goes and forms the next government ! Democracy in action !
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Banstead Surrey 06 Mar 15 8.41pm

Just another reality show - why don't we telephone vote and the leaders with the lowest votes drop out till only two left. Then more votes and the winner goes and forms the next government ! Democracy in action !

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Bert the Head Epsom 06 Mar 15 10.33pm
Quote OknotOK at 06 Mar 2015 4.39pm Cameron is in a bit of a lose-lose, as I have said before. People already don't rate Ed Miliband. But he can perform in debates. The only thing stopping the Labour poll lead firming up and extending is that EdM is seen as a bad PM. If he performs decently or even outperforms Cameron in the debates then the Tories would be evicerated at the GE. But not taking part seriously risks Cameron looking unstatemanlike and cowardly. Neither of which are traits the British public tend to take to their hearts in a future PM. People don't rate Ed Miliband because they only hear about him from the prism of the massively right right media. The debates mean Cameron will lose that protection and that is why he is terrified. Whether the debates are a long term good idea or not for the country means nothing, just like privatization. Isn't irony brilliant!
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Quote OknotOK at 06 Mar 2015 4.39pm

Cameron is in a bit of a lose-lose, as I have said before.

People already don't rate Ed Miliband. But he can perform in debates. The only thing stopping the Labour poll lead firming up and extending is that EdM is seen as a bad PM. If he performs decently or even outperforms Cameron in the debates then the Tories would be evicerated at the GE.

But not taking part seriously risks Cameron looking unstatemanlike and cowardly. Neither of which are traits the British public tend to take to their hearts in a future PM.

People don't rate Ed Miliband because they only hear about him from the prism of the massively right right media. The debates mean Cameron will lose that protection and that is why he is terrified.

Whether the debates are a long term good idea or not for the country means nothing, just like privatization. Isn't irony brilliant!

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Bert the Head Epsom 06 Mar 15 10.41pm
Quote imbored at 06 Mar 2015 8.20pm From BBC news: "My feeling is that he [David Cameron] is not going to do the second seven-way debate, I think that's pretty clear, so the BBC will have a rather awkward decision to make as to whether to make it a six-way debate. I don't think Sky and Channel 4 can possibly empty chair the prime minister in a two-handed debate; it then turns into an interview with Ed Miliband, and under the Ofcom code of conduct they would then have to offer Cameron his own 90-minute interview with or without an empty chair." "Both Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg pressed for a series of TV debates in this election, and Mr Brown's agreement last" The Daily Mail Friday, April 15th 2010. What is good for the goose is good for the Gander Edited by Bert the Head (06 Mar 2015 10.42pm)
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From BBC news:

"Both Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg pressed for a series of TV debates in this election, and Mr Brown's agreement last" The Daily Mail Friday, April 15th 2010.

What is good for the goose is good for the Gander

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Stuk Top half 17 Mar 15 5.33pm
1 debate, early April on ITV [Link] Paxman to interview Dave and Ed for C4/Sky. The regionals and minor parties to have their own debate. Question Time special for the main 3 parties. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 17 Mar 15 5.33pm

1 debate, early April on ITV

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Paxman to interview Dave and Ed for C4/Sky.

The regionals and minor parties to have their own debate.

Question Time special for the main 3 parties.

Optimistic as ever

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Helmet46 Croydon 17 Mar 15 6.48pm
Quote Bert the Head at 06 Mar 2015 10.33pm Quote OknotOK at 06 Mar 2015 4.39pm Cameron is in a bit of a lose-lose, as I have said before. People already don't rate Ed Miliband. But he can perform in debates. The only thing stopping the Labour poll lead firming up and extending is that EdM is seen as a bad PM. If he performs decently or even outperforms Cameron in the debates then the Tories would be evicerated at the GE. But not taking part seriously risks Cameron looking unstatemanlike and cowardly. Neither of which are traits the British public tend to take to their hearts in a future PM. People don't rate Ed Miliband because they only hear about him from the prism of the massively right right media. The debates mean Cameron will lose that protection and that is why he is terrified. Whether the debates are a long term good idea or not for the country means nothing, just like privatization. Isn't irony brilliant! I don't rate him because he's a cock.
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Croydon 17 Mar 15 6.48pm

Quote Bert the Head at 06 Mar 2015 10.33pm

Quote OknotOK at 06 Mar 2015 4.39pm

Cameron is in a bit of a lose-lose, as I have said before.

But not taking part seriously risks Cameron looking unstatemanlike and cowardly. Neither of which are traits the British public tend to take to their hearts in a future PM.

People don't rate Ed Miliband because they only hear about him from the prism of the massively right right media. The debates mean Cameron will lose that protection and that is why he is terrified.

Whether the debates are a long term good idea or not for the country means nothing, just like privatization. Isn't irony brilliant!

I don't rate him because he's a cock.

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