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TUX redhill 18 Feb 15 7.26pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'dartford crossing ' by Old Chap Quote steph_eagle at 18 Feb 2015 11.19am Quote TUX at 17 Feb 2015 7.52pm I've never had a problem at Dartford tbh but last year I received a letter (inc a pic) of me 'parked(?)' the wrong side of a red light at around 6am in London (who does that!). The fact that I'd moved forward to let an ambulance go by was irrelevant because as they say, the camera never lies cough cough. I asked for the CCTV footage and was told that they couldn't send it to me (how strange in a world of tech?) but I'm more than welcome to view it if I went along to their offices. Being self-employed it was pointless fighting it as it would have cost me more money so I paid the 60quid. The moral of the story is they are cunds and will get away with anything if they can. You have proof on your side and will be fine. But that doesn't take into account the inconvenience. Was this from TfL? As for the footage if they said they cant send you the footage, although a fee would be included, they were wrong. If you took this further they would need the CCTV to prove it to the adjudicator. Did you pay and how long ago was it? It was round about the Christmas before last. I've binned the letter but it clearly stated that I could only view any CCTV footage if I went to them. It's done now but i've learnt since is that there is no law stating (apparently!) that you have to move for ANY emergency vehicle. I'd do the same again tbh but what really f-cked me off was the fact that someone has seen the footage, has a complete understanding of the situation yet still nailed me because they had a 'still'. But that's the times we live in I guess. Edit. Sorry yeah, I think it was TFL. It may well have been KFC for the amount of intelligence shown though! (No offence to anyone who may happen to work at that fine chicken establishment). Edited by TUX (18 Feb 2015 7.29pm)
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Quote TUX at 17 Feb 2015 7.52pm

I've never had a problem at Dartford tbh but last year I received a letter (inc a pic) of me 'parked(?)' the wrong side of a red light at around 6am in London (who does that!).
The fact that I'd moved forward to let an ambulance go by was irrelevant because as they say, the camera never lies cough cough. I asked for the CCTV footage and was told that they couldn't send it to me (how strange in a world of tech?) but I'm more than welcome to view it if I went along to their offices. Being self-employed it was pointless fighting it as it would have cost me more money so I paid the 60quid.
The moral of the story is they are cunds and will get away with anything if they can. You have proof on your side and will be fine. But that doesn't take into account the inconvenience.

Was this from TfL?

As for the footage if they said they cant send you the footage, although a fee would be included, they were wrong. If you took this further they would need the CCTV to prove it to the adjudicator.

Did you pay and how long ago was it?

It was round about the Christmas before last.
I've binned the letter but it clearly stated that I could only view any CCTV footage if I went to them.
It's done now but i've learnt since is that
there is no law stating (apparently!) that you have to move for ANY emergency vehicle.
I'd do the same again tbh but what really f-cked me off was the fact that someone has seen the footage, has a complete understanding of the situation yet still nailed me because they had a 'still'.

But that's the times we live in I guess.

Edit. Sorry yeah, I think it was TFL. It may well have been KFC for the amount of intelligence shown though! (No offence to anyone who may happen to work at that fine chicken establishment).

Edited by TUX (18 Feb 2015 7.29pm)

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steph_eagle Thornton Heath 18 Feb 15 9.30pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'dartford crossing ' by Old Chap Quote TUX at 18 Feb 2015 7.26pm Quote steph_eagle at 18 Feb 2015 11.19am Quote TUX at 17 Feb 2015 7.52pm I've never had a problem at Dartford tbh but last year I received a letter (inc a pic) of me 'parked(?)' the wrong side of a red light at around 6am in London (who does that!). The fact that I'd moved forward to let an ambulance go by was irrelevant because as they say, the camera never lies cough cough. I asked for the CCTV footage and was told that they couldn't send it to me (how strange in a world of tech?) but I'm more than welcome to view it if I went along to their offices. Being self-employed it was pointless fighting it as it would have cost me more money so I paid the 60quid. The moral of the story is they are cunds and will get away with anything if they can. You have proof on your side and will be fine. But that doesn't take into account the inconvenience. Was this from TfL? As for the footage if they said they cant send you the footage, although a fee would be included, they were wrong. If you took this further they would need the CCTV to prove it to the adjudicator. Did you pay and how long ago was it? It was round about the Christmas before last. I've binned the letter but it clearly stated that I could only view any CCTV footage if I went to them. It's done now but i've learnt since is that there is no law stating (apparently!) that you have to move for ANY emergency vehicle. I'd do the same again tbh but what really f-cked me off was the fact that someone has seen the footage, has a complete understanding of the situation yet still nailed me because they had a 'still'. But that's the times we live in I guess. Edit. Sorry yeah, I think it was TFL. It may well have been KFC for the amount of intelligence shown though! (No offence to anyone who may happen to work at that fine chicken establishment). Thats weird as you used to be able to get a dvd sent to you or view it in an office in Croydon. Must have changed. Oh and youre right with the intelligence bit Edited by TUX (18 Feb 2015 7.29pm)
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Quote TUX at 18 Feb 2015 7.26pm

Quote steph_eagle at 18 Feb 2015 11.19am

Quote TUX at 17 Feb 2015 7.52pm

Was this from TfL?

As for the footage if they said they cant send you the footage, although a fee would be included, they were wrong. If you took this further they would need the CCTV to prove it to the adjudicator.

Did you pay and how long ago was it?

But that's the times we live in I guess.

Edit. Sorry yeah, I think it was TFL. It may well have been KFC for the amount of intelligence shown though! (No offence to anyone who may happen to work at that fine chicken establishment).

Thats weird as you used to be able to get a dvd sent to you or view it in an office in Croydon. Must have changed. Oh and youre right with the intelligence bit

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HeathMan Purley 18 Feb 15 11.13pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'dartford crossing ' by Old Chap I still remember 20:06 one Friday when Croydon Council did me for being at the far end of a bus stop - while collecting fish & chips & contributing to the local economy. from time to time I think about an 007 model car - with changing number plates - an arabic option could be useful. Good luck to my fellow sufferers.
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Purley 18 Feb 15 11.13pm

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I still remember 20:06 one Friday when Croydon Council did me for being at the far end of a bus stop - while collecting fish & chips & contributing to the local economy. from time to time I think about an 007 model car - with changing number plates - an arabic option could be useful.

Good luck to my fellow sufferers.

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Stuk Top half 18 Feb 15 11.33pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'dartford crossing ' by Old Chap Quote steph_eagle at 18 Feb 2015 6.58pm Quote Stuk at 18 Feb 2015 1.43pm Any time you appeal a penalty charge, the first reply will always be the standard "we've looked at the circumstances, blah blah blah, you're still wrong and have to pay". You almost always have to write to them twice before they will actually look in to why you have appealed it, and whether or not you're right. I worked in parking appeals and this is not correct. It has been, in my experience, several times. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 18 Feb 15 11.33pm

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Quote steph_eagle at 18 Feb 2015 6.58pm

Quote Stuk at 18 Feb 2015 1.43pm

Any time you appeal a penalty charge, the first reply will always be the standard "we've looked at the circumstances, blah blah blah, you're still wrong and have to pay".

You almost always have to write to them twice before they will actually look in to why you have appealed it, and whether or not you're right.

I worked in parking appeals and this is not correct.

It has been, in my experience, several times.

Optimistic as ever

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Southampton_Eagle At the after party 18 Feb 15 11.40pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'dartford crossing ' by Old Chap Quote Pussay Patrol at 17 Feb 2015 10.26pm I don't move for ambulances - f*** 'em
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I don't move for ambulances - f*** 'em

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Southampton_Eagle At the after party 18 Feb 15 11.42pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'dartford crossing ' by Old Chap Quote bexleydave at 18 Feb 2015 8.47am Quote collier row eagle at 17 Feb 2015 11.22pm Quote radsyrendot at 17 Feb 2015 4.07pm went over it last month on a Saturday payed £5.00 on the Sunday on my phone £2.50 E/W . got a letter to day saying I only payed 1 way £2.50 got fined wait for it ......... £72 checked my bank statement today it says I payed £5.00 GONNA send them a copy and see what they say robbing b****s no way am I paying for it ..so be warned and keep your statements Edited by radsyrendot (17 Feb 2015 4.08pm) Say that this has caused you massive worry and stress and that you want compensation**. Bast@rds What a massive over-reaction! No electronic system is perfect (although my family and myself use the crossing frequently, without problems) and, as there is evidence of payment, the fine will be cancelled on appeal. You'd be living a charmed life if this was the worst thing that ever happened to you. I thought trolls lived under a bridge rather than commuting across one?
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Quote bexleydave at 18 Feb 2015 8.47am

Quote collier row eagle at 17 Feb 2015 11.22pm

Quote radsyrendot at 17 Feb 2015 4.07pm

went over it last month on a Saturday payed £5.00 on the Sunday on my phone £2.50 E/W . got a letter to day saying I only payed 1 way £2.50 got fined wait for it .........
£72 checked my bank statement today it says I payed £5.00 GONNA send them a copy and see what they say robbing b******s
no way am I paying for it ..so be warned and keep your statements

Edited by radsyrendot (17 Feb 2015 4.08pm)

Say that this has caused you massive worry and stress and that you want compensation. Bast@rds

What a massive over-reaction! No electronic system is perfect (although my family and myself use the crossing frequently, without problems) and, as there is evidence of payment, the fine will be cancelled on appeal. You'd be living a charmed life if this was the worst thing that ever happened to you.

I thought trolls lived under a bridge rather than commuting across one?

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Percy of Peckham Eton Mess 19 Feb 15 4.44am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'dartford crossing ' by Old Chap Quote Southampton_Eagle at 18 Feb 2015 11.42pm Quote bexleydave at 18 Feb 2015 8.47am Quote collier row eagle at 17 Feb 2015 11.22pm Quote radsyrendot at 17 Feb 2015 4.07pm went over it last month on a Saturday payed £5.00 on the Sunday on my phone £2.50 E/W . got a letter to day saying I only payed 1 way £2.50 got fined wait for it ......... £72 checked my bank statement today it says I payed £5.00 GONNA send them a copy and see what they say robbing b****s no way am I paying for it ..so be warned and keep your statements Edited by radsyrendot (17 Feb 2015 4.08pm) Say that this has caused you massive worry and stress and that you want compensation**. Bast@rds What a massive over-reaction! No electronic system is perfect (although my family and myself use the crossing frequently, without problems) and, as there is evidence of payment, the fine will be cancelled on appeal. You'd be living a charmed life if this was the worst thing that ever happened to you. I thought trolls lived under a bridge rather than commuting across one? ...and where there aren't any bridges you have Fairies. Like the Woolwich Fairy!!!! Edited by Percy of Peckham (19 Feb 2015 7.31am) Denial is not just a river in Egypt!
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Quote Southampton_Eagle at 18 Feb 2015 11.42pm

Quote bexleydave at 18 Feb 2015 8.47am

Quote collier row eagle at 17 Feb 2015 11.22pm

Quote radsyrendot at 17 Feb 2015 4.07pm

Edited by radsyrendot (17 Feb 2015 4.08pm)

Say that this has caused you massive worry and stress and that you want compensation. Bast@rds

I thought trolls lived under a bridge rather than commuting across one?

...and where there aren't any bridges you have Fairies. Like the Woolwich Fairy!!!!

Edited by Percy of Peckham (19 Feb 2015 7.31am)

Denial is not just a river in Egypt!

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Southampton_Eagle At the after party 19 Feb 15 8.18am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'dartford crossing ' by Old Chap Quote Percy of Peckham at 19 Feb 2015 4.44am Quote Southampton_Eagle at 18 Feb 2015 11.42pm Quote bexleydave at 18 Feb 2015 8.47am Quote collier row eagle at 17 Feb 2015 11.22pm Quote radsyrendot at 17 Feb 2015 4.07pm went over it last month on a Saturday payed £5.00 on the Sunday on my phone £2.50 E/W . got a letter to day saying I only payed 1 way £2.50 got fined wait for it ......... £72 checked my bank statement today it says I payed £5.00 GONNA send them a copy and see what they say robbing b****s no way am I paying for it ..so be warned and keep your statements Edited by radsyrendot (17 Feb 2015 4.08pm) Say that this has caused you massive worry and stress and that you want compensation**. Bast@rds What a massive over-reaction! No electronic system is perfect (although my family and myself use the crossing frequently, without problems) and, as there is evidence of payment, the fine will be cancelled on appeal. You'd be living a charmed life if this was the worst thing that ever happened to you. I thought trolls lived under a bridge rather than commuting across one? ...and where there aren't any bridges you have Fairies. Like the Woolwich Fairy!!!! Edited by Percy of Peckham (19 Feb 2015 7.31am) Like the song Fairy across the Mersey?
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At the after party 19 Feb 15 8.18am

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Quote Percy of Peckham at 19 Feb 2015 4.44am

Quote Southampton_Eagle at 18 Feb 2015 11.42pm

Quote bexleydave at 18 Feb 2015 8.47am

Quote collier row eagle at 17 Feb 2015 11.22pm

Quote radsyrendot at 17 Feb 2015 4.07pm

Edited by radsyrendot (17 Feb 2015 4.08pm)

Say that this has caused you massive worry and stress and that you want compensation. Bast@rds

I thought trolls lived under a bridge rather than commuting across one?

...and where there aren't any bridges you have Fairies. Like the Woolwich Fairy!!!!

Edited by Percy of Peckham (19 Feb 2015 7.31am)

Like the song Fairy across the Mersey?

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Percy of Peckham Eton Mess 19 Feb 15 9.31am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'dartford crossing ' by Old Chap Quote Southampton_Eagle at 19 Feb 2015 8.18am Quote Percy of Peckham at 19 Feb 2015 4.44am Quote Southampton_Eagle at 18 Feb 2015 11.42pm Quote bexleydave at 18 Feb 2015 8.47am Quote collier row eagle at 17 Feb 2015 11.22pm Quote radsyrendot at 17 Feb 2015 4.07pm went over it last month on a Saturday payed £5.00 on the Sunday on my phone £2.50 E/W . got a letter to day saying I only payed 1 way £2.50 got fined wait for it ......... £72 checked my bank statement today it says I payed £5.00 GONNA send them a copy and see what they say robbing b****s no way am I paying for it ..so be warned and keep your statements Edited by radsyrendot (17 Feb 2015 4.08pm) Say that this has caused you massive worry and stress and that you want compensation**. Bast@rds What a massive over-reaction! No electronic system is perfect (although my family and myself use the crossing frequently, without problems) and, as there is evidence of payment, the fine will be cancelled on appeal. You'd be living a charmed life if this was the worst thing that ever happened to you. I thought trolls lived under a bridge rather than commuting across one? ...and where there aren't any bridges you have Fairies. Like the Woolwich Fairy!!!! Edited by Percy of Peckham (19 Feb 2015 7.31am) Like the song Fairy across the Mersey? That's the one!!! Denial is not just a river in Egypt!
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Eton Mess 19 Feb 15 9.31am

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Quote Southampton_Eagle at 19 Feb 2015 8.18am

Quote Percy of Peckham at 19 Feb 2015 4.44am

Quote Southampton_Eagle at 18 Feb 2015 11.42pm

Quote bexleydave at 18 Feb 2015 8.47am

Quote collier row eagle at 17 Feb 2015 11.22pm

Quote radsyrendot at 17 Feb 2015 4.07pm

Edited by radsyrendot (17 Feb 2015 4.08pm)

Say that this has caused you massive worry and stress and that you want compensation. Bast@rds

I thought trolls lived under a bridge rather than commuting across one?

...and where there aren't any bridges you have Fairies. Like the Woolwich Fairy!!!!

Edited by Percy of Peckham (19 Feb 2015 7.31am)

Like the song Fairy across the Mersey?

That's the one!!!

Denial is not just a river in Egypt!

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steph_eagle Thornton Heath 19 Feb 15 10.46am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'dartford crossing ' by Old Chap Quote Stuk at 18 Feb 2015 11.33pm Quote steph_eagle at 18 Feb 2015 6.58pm Quote Stuk at 18 Feb 2015 1.43pm Any time you appeal a penalty charge, the first reply will always be the standard "we've looked at the circumstances, blah blah blah, you're still wrong and have to pay". You almost always have to write to them twice before they will actually look in to why you have appealed it, and whether or not you're right. I worked in parking appeals and this is not correct. It has been, in my experience, several times. Maybe it was more down to your reasons for the appeal.
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Quote Stuk at 18 Feb 2015 11.33pm

Quote steph_eagle at 18 Feb 2015 6.58pm

Quote Stuk at 18 Feb 2015 1.43pm

Any time you appeal a penalty charge, the first reply will always be the standard "we've looked at the circumstances, blah blah blah, you're still wrong and have to pay".

You almost always have to write to them twice before they will actually look in to why you have appealed it, and whether or not you're right.

I worked in parking appeals and this is not correct.

It has been, in my experience, several times.

Maybe it was more down to your reasons for the appeal.

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Johnny Eagles berlin 19 Feb 15 11.18am
On the way back I looked out for the signs. There were a couple but they weren't exactly obvious in their meaning. Any genuine warning to drivers would make it obvious. I think they deliberately want to make it vague so they can hit people with fines. ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...
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berlin 19 Feb 15 11.18am

On the way back I looked out for the signs. There were a couple but they weren't exactly obvious in their meaning. Any genuine warning to drivers would make it obvious. I think they deliberately want to make it vague so they can hit people with fines.

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

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Stuk Top half 19 Feb 15 2.37pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'dartford crossing ' by Old Chap Quote steph_eagle at 19 Feb 2015 10.46am Quote Stuk at 18 Feb 2015 11.33pm Quote steph_eagle at 18 Feb 2015 6.58pm Quote Stuk at 18 Feb 2015 1.43pm Any time you appeal a penalty charge, the first reply will always be the standard "we've looked at the circumstances, blah blah blah, you're still wrong and have to pay". You almost always have to write to them twice before they will actually look in to why you have appealed it, and whether or not you're right. I worked in parking appeals and this is not correct. It has been, in my experience, several times. Maybe it was more down to your reasons for the appeal. Same reasons both times. 1st time, standard reply. 2nd time "on this occasion..." Might not have happened where you worked but seems to be how most London boroughs operate. Optimistic as ever
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Quote steph_eagle at 19 Feb 2015 10.46am

Quote Stuk at 18 Feb 2015 11.33pm

Quote steph_eagle at 18 Feb 2015 6.58pm

Quote Stuk at 18 Feb 2015 1.43pm

Any time you appeal a penalty charge, the first reply will always be the standard "we've looked at the circumstances, blah blah blah, you're still wrong and have to pay".

You almost always have to write to them twice before they will actually look in to why you have appealed it, and whether or not you're right.

I worked in parking appeals and this is not correct.

It has been, in my experience, several times.

Maybe it was more down to your reasons for the appeal.

Same reasons both times. 1st time, standard reply. 2nd time "on this occasion..."

Might not have happened where you worked but seems to be how most London boroughs operate.

Optimistic as ever

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