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Sg Bilko Flag Deurne Holland 15 Apr 14 11.00am Send a Private Message to Sg Bilko Add Sg Bilko as a friend

Stop panicking, there's no criteria for any punishment for this, there's no crime been committed.
Spying is a clandestine activity and hard to prove and will take a full scale investigation.
Texting a former work college, unless they brought about a new law forbidding it Moody can text who he wishes does not mean he knows anything, especially as the only changes they made were obvious, Zaha for Gunnarsson(injury) and Jones for Bellemy, apart from that they fielded the same side defensively, and lets face it their defense is a joke.

 

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paperhat Flag croydon 15 Apr 14 11.12am Send a Private Message to paperhat Add paperhat as a friend

They knew about this 2 days before the match? If its so serious, why didn't they complain BEFORE they got spanked???

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Apr 14 11.30am

Quote Sg Bilko at 15 Apr 2014 11.00am

Stop panicking, there's no criteria for any punishment for this, there's no crime been committed.
Spying is a clandestine activity and hard to prove and will take a full scale investigation.
Texting a former work college, unless they brought about a new law forbidding it Moody can text who he wishes does not mean he knows anything, especially as the only changes they made were obvious, Zaha for Gunnarsson(injury) and Jones for Bellemy, apart from that they fielded the same side defensively, and lets face it their defense is a joke.

Indeed, unless we've actively committed a corrupt act in the process (such as blackmail and or bribery) or instructed a third party to do so, then there is no offence committed, unless of course the material falls under the Offical Secrets Act (which it doesn't).

Corporate espionage offences require the theft of materials that are 'trade secrets' such as intellectual propritory properties, prototypes etc.

if its a disgruntled employee then whatever they do is not a criminal offence, or the responsibility of the recepient (as they were approched by a third party).

In any other business its just an internal disciplinary action, and possible lawsuit to prevent the use of the material prior to market distribution (or share of sales based on violation of intellectual property by illict means).

 


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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 15 Apr 14 11.51am Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Apr 2014 11.30am

Quote Sg Bilko at 15 Apr 2014 11.00am

Stop panicking, there's no criteria for any punishment for this, there's no crime been committed.
Spying is a clandestine activity and hard to prove and will take a full scale investigation.
Texting a former work college, unless they brought about a new law forbidding it Moody can text who he wishes does not mean he knows anything, especially as the only changes they made were obvious, Zaha for Gunnarsson(injury) and Jones for Bellemy, apart from that they fielded the same side defensively, and lets face it their defense is a joke.

Indeed, unless we've actively committed a corrupt act in the process (such as blackmail and or bribery) or instructed a third party to do so, then there is no offence committed, unless of course the material falls under the Offical Secrets Act (which it doesn't).

Corporate espionage offences require the theft of materials that are 'trade secrets' such as intellectual propritory properties, prototypes etc.

if its a disgruntled employee then whatever they do is not a criminal offence, or the responsibility of the recepient (as they were approched by a third party).

In any other business its just an internal disciplinary action, and possible lawsuit to prevent the use of the material prior to market distribution (or share of sales based on violation of intellectual property by illict means).

All that is absolutely true and eliminates criminal allegations but does anyone know what specific FA or Premier League rules Cardiff think that we've broken?

 


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Ketteridge Flag Brighton 15 Apr 14 12.04pm Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Let's face Caulker has already stated that there have been leaks all year, so pretty common practice so the prem are not going to want to open a can of worms.
That's rationale speaking but we all know that rationale and reasonable never applies to Palace so it will be discovered that Moody hired Paddy The Greek and Sunglasses Ron to break into Cardiff and get the team sheet.We will be docked 37 points, forced to play blindfolded next year to prove we are not spying and Kayla will made to live out her days as pigeon to stop her swooping in on info.

 


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turbohorsebox Flag Coulsdon 15 Apr 14 12.20pm Send a Private Message to turbohorsebox Add turbohorsebox as a friend

Quote EagleEyedAlbert at 15 Apr 2014 8.05am

"A Cardiff source said manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaerwas made aware of what was allegedly going on when a message sent from Moody's phone was received by a third party, listing the starting XI that Solskjaer ultimately fielded against Palace."

Hang on, that to me suggests somebody AT Cardiff received the Cardiff lineup from Iain Moody?

I thought that - maybe OGS thought it was such a good line up that he played the team Pulis was suggesting?

 


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adrian b Flag Landrindod, Wales 15 Apr 14 12.24pm Send a Private Message to adrian b Add adrian b as a friend


What are the allegations being made by Tan? I have thought of a few that may be the case.

1) Someone blackmailed a Cardiff employee to pass over information. If proved this is criminal.
2) Someone bribed a Cardiff employee to pass over information. Just an internal issue of trust for Cardiff, though not nice to know someone at Palace did this.
3) Someone at Palace bribed Cardiff player(s) to do something during the match to help Palace get a result, like give away a penalty, miss an open goal or something similar. If this is the case the implications are truly horrendous if proved. The way Cardiff played Tan believes this is possible. Some ex-Palace players are at the moment being investigated for something like this, though this of course is nothing to do with what Tan is on about.
Cannot think of anything else on this matter that could possibly be a problem, tho' I'll keep my thinking cap on!

 

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SloveniaDave Flag Tirana, Albania 15 Apr 14 12.26pm Send a Private Message to SloveniaDave Add SloveniaDave as a friend

Quote adrian b at 15 Apr 2014 12.24pm


What are the allegations being made by Tan? I have thought of a few that may be the case.

1) Someone blackmailed a Cardiff employee to pass over information. If proved this is criminal.
2) Someone bribed a Cardiff employee to pass over information. Just an internal issue of trust for Cardiff, though not nice to know someone at Palace did this.
3) Someone at Palace bribed Cardiff player(s) to do something during the match to help Palace get a result, like give away a penalty, miss an open goal or something similar. If this is the case the implications are truly horrendous if proved. The way Cardiff played Tan believes this is possible. Some ex-Palace players are at the moment being investigated for something like this, though this of course is nothing to do with what Tan is on about.
Cannot think of anything else on this matter that could possibly be a problem, tho' I'll keep my thinking cap on!


Bribery is a criminal offence, not just an internal issue.

 


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Part Time James Flag 15 Apr 14 12.32pm Send a Private Message to Part Time James Add Part Time James as a friend

We also must have a bit of faith that even if this gets to the point where the FA involve Palace (as opposed to them just laughing at Cardiff) that CPFC2010 and co, I imagine, will do a pretty bang up job of defending the club.

If this sticks I'd be very surprised and I'd also be surprised if Palace didn't successfully appeal against any fines or anything inflicting on us.

 




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sydtheeagle Flag England 15 Apr 14 12.36pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Quote EagleLegend97 at 14 Apr 2014 8.29pm

Obviously Moody shouldn't be asking

Why? To the best of my knowledge there's nothing in commercial law that makes it illegal to call a mate who works at another company and try to get information out of him. It's not theft; it's not illegal; it's just doing your job. Of course, your mate should tell you to f-off but if he doesn't, that Cardiff's problem, not Palaces. Asking a question has never been a crime.

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 15 Apr 14 12.38pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

I guess it is likely that Moody had a confidentiality clause in his contract.

If he breached it, he can be sued.

If the club encouraged that breach, or could have prevented it but did not, then it also could be sued.

Presumably it would be sued for damages, so Cardiff would have to prove the damages. If Cardiff goes down but would have stayed up had it had three more points this could - in theory - become a problem.

Mind you, if Moody was unfairly dismissed that may impact upon this. I am guessing there was a Settlement Agreement in place, it would be interesting to know what it had to say on confidentiality but likely it reinforced the requirement.

Edited by Mapletree (15 Apr 2014 12.38pm)

 

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SloveniaDave Flag Tirana, Albania 15 Apr 14 12.40pm Send a Private Message to SloveniaDave Add SloveniaDave as a friend

Quote sydtheeagle at 15 Apr 2014 12.36pm

Quote EagleLegend97 at 14 Apr 2014 8.29pm

Obviously Moody shouldn't be asking

Why? To the best of my knowledge there's nothing in commercial law that makes it illegal to call a mate who works at another company and try to get information out of him. It's not theft; it's not illegal; it's just doing your job. Of course, your mate should tell you to f-off but if he doesn't, that Cardiff's problem, not Palaces. Asking a question has never been a crime.


Not quite. There are specific offences such as insider dealing where both parties can be liable. And soliciting someone else to commit a crime is also an offence. I don't see this case having any serious basis, but its not quite black and white.

 


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