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Sg Bilko Deurne Holland 15 Apr 14 11.00am | |
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Stop panicking, there's no criteria for any punishment for this, there's no crime been committed.
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paperhat croydon 15 Apr 14 11.12am | |
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They knew about this 2 days before the match? If its so serious, why didn't they complain BEFORE they got spanked???
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jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Apr 14 11.30am | |
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Quote Sg Bilko at 15 Apr 2014 11.00am
Stop panicking, there's no criteria for any punishment for this, there's no crime been committed. Indeed, unless we've actively committed a corrupt act in the process (such as blackmail and or bribery) or instructed a third party to do so, then there is no offence committed, unless of course the material falls under the Offical Secrets Act (which it doesn't). Corporate espionage offences require the theft of materials that are 'trade secrets' such as intellectual propritory properties, prototypes etc. if its a disgruntled employee then whatever they do is not a criminal offence, or the responsibility of the recepient (as they were approched by a third party). In any other business its just an internal disciplinary action, and possible lawsuit to prevent the use of the material prior to market distribution (or share of sales based on violation of intellectual property by illict means).
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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 15 Apr 14 11.51am | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Apr 2014 11.30am
Quote Sg Bilko at 15 Apr 2014 11.00am
Stop panicking, there's no criteria for any punishment for this, there's no crime been committed. Indeed, unless we've actively committed a corrupt act in the process (such as blackmail and or bribery) or instructed a third party to do so, then there is no offence committed, unless of course the material falls under the Offical Secrets Act (which it doesn't). Corporate espionage offences require the theft of materials that are 'trade secrets' such as intellectual propritory properties, prototypes etc. if its a disgruntled employee then whatever they do is not a criminal offence, or the responsibility of the recepient (as they were approched by a third party). In any other business its just an internal disciplinary action, and possible lawsuit to prevent the use of the material prior to market distribution (or share of sales based on violation of intellectual property by illict means). All that is absolutely true and eliminates criminal allegations but does anyone know what specific FA or Premier League rules Cardiff think that we've broken?
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Ketteridge Brighton 15 Apr 14 12.04pm | |
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Let's face Caulker has already stated that there have been leaks all year, so pretty common practice so the prem are not going to want to open a can of worms.
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turbohorsebox Coulsdon 15 Apr 14 12.20pm | |
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Quote EagleEyedAlbert at 15 Apr 2014 8.05am
"A Cardiff source said manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaerwas made aware of what was allegedly going on when a message sent from Moody's phone was received by a third party, listing the starting XI that Solskjaer ultimately fielded against Palace." Hang on, that to me suggests somebody AT Cardiff received the Cardiff lineup from Iain Moody? I thought that - maybe OGS thought it was such a good line up that he played the team Pulis was suggesting?
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adrian b Landrindod, Wales 15 Apr 14 12.24pm | |
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1) Someone blackmailed a Cardiff employee to pass over information. If proved this is criminal.
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SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 15 Apr 14 12.26pm | |
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Quote adrian b at 15 Apr 2014 12.24pm
1) Someone blackmailed a Cardiff employee to pass over information. If proved this is criminal.
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Part Time James 15 Apr 14 12.32pm | |
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We also must have a bit of faith that even if this gets to the point where the FA involve Palace (as opposed to them just laughing at Cardiff) that CPFC2010 and co, I imagine, will do a pretty bang up job of defending the club. If this sticks I'd be very surprised and I'd also be surprised if Palace didn't successfully appeal against any fines or anything inflicting on us.
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sydtheeagle England 15 Apr 14 12.36pm | |
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Quote EagleLegend97 at 14 Apr 2014 8.29pm
Obviously Moody shouldn't be asking Why? To the best of my knowledge there's nothing in commercial law that makes it illegal to call a mate who works at another company and try to get information out of him. It's not theft; it's not illegal; it's just doing your job. Of course, your mate should tell you to f-off but if he doesn't, that Cardiff's problem, not Palaces. Asking a question has never been a crime.
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Mapletree Croydon 15 Apr 14 12.38pm | |
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I guess it is likely that Moody had a confidentiality clause in his contract. If he breached it, he can be sued. If the club encouraged that breach, or could have prevented it but did not, then it also could be sued. Presumably it would be sued for damages, so Cardiff would have to prove the damages. If Cardiff goes down but would have stayed up had it had three more points this could - in theory - become a problem. Mind you, if Moody was unfairly dismissed that may impact upon this. I am guessing there was a Settlement Agreement in place, it would be interesting to know what it had to say on confidentiality but likely it reinforced the requirement. Edited by Mapletree (15 Apr 2014 12.38pm)
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SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 15 Apr 14 12.40pm | |
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Quote sydtheeagle at 15 Apr 2014 12.36pm
Quote EagleLegend97 at 14 Apr 2014 8.29pm
Obviously Moody shouldn't be asking Why? To the best of my knowledge there's nothing in commercial law that makes it illegal to call a mate who works at another company and try to get information out of him. It's not theft; it's not illegal; it's just doing your job. Of course, your mate should tell you to f-off but if he doesn't, that Cardiff's problem, not Palaces. Asking a question has never been a crime.
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