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Kosowski Standing at the top of B Block 09 Apr 14 3.47pm
Quote paperhat at 09 Apr 2014 3.16pm Quote Beastie at 09 Apr 2014 2.49pm Football culture has developed through the generations from the days when the only way to see high quality football was to watch your local professional club. The sense of belonging and loyalty doesn’t translate well to people outside of that culture in this day and age. The club’s ‘Born in South London’ campaign was pretty good and aimed at inner London youth but to be honest, to most black kids, being an Arsenal fan will always be easier, cheaper, cooler and more enjoyable. How do you compete with that? go back to handing tickets out to the local schools, get incvolved with the local area more and genreally being a higher profile, more successful club. NOW is the time the club should be capitalising on all of this. these kids are tomorrows fans no matter what bloody colour they are Cheaper?! Have you seen their season ticket prices? Block B comment of 2011/2012 Season: "That's better Palace, better...but still fucking shit!" ---------------------------------------------------------------- Dann to Much, Much to Yong.
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Standing at the top of B Block 09 Apr 14 3.47pm

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Football culture has developed through the generations from the days when the only way to see high quality football was to watch your local professional club. The sense of belonging and loyalty doesn’t translate well to people outside of that culture in this day and age.

The club’s ‘Born in South London’ campaign was pretty good and aimed at inner London youth but to be honest, to most black kids, being an Arsenal fan will always be easier, cheaper, cooler and more enjoyable. How do you compete with that?

go back to handing tickets out to the local schools, get incvolved with the local area more and genreally being a higher profile, more successful club.

NOW is the time the club should be capitalising on all of this. these kids are tomorrows fans no matter what bloody colour they are

Cheaper?! Have you seen their season ticket prices?

Block B comment of 2011/2012 Season:

"That's better Palace, better...but still fucking shit!"

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Dann to Much, Much to Yong.

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Username Horsham 09 Apr 14 4.14pm
Quote Kosowski at 09 Apr 2014 3.47pm Quote paperhat at 09 Apr 2014 3.16pm Quote Beastie at 09 Apr 2014 2.49pm Football culture has developed through the generations from the days when the only way to see high quality football was to watch your local professional club. The sense of belonging and loyalty doesn’t translate well to people outside of that culture in this day and age. The club’s ‘Born in South London’ campaign was pretty good and aimed at inner London youth but to be honest, to most black kids, being an Arsenal fan will always be easier, cheaper, cooler and more enjoyable. How do you compete with that? go back to handing tickets out to the local schools, get incvolved with the local area more and genreally being a higher profile, more successful club. NOW is the time the club should be capitalising on all of this. these kids are tomorrows fans no matter what bloody colour they are Cheaper?! Have you seen their season ticket prices? But you can watch 20 Arsenal games a year on TV. Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.
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Horsham 09 Apr 14 4.14pm

Quote Kosowski at 09 Apr 2014 3.47pm

Quote paperhat at 09 Apr 2014 3.16pm

Quote Beastie at 09 Apr 2014 2.49pm

go back to handing tickets out to the local schools, get incvolved with the local area more and genreally being a higher profile, more successful club.

NOW is the time the club should be capitalising on all of this. these kids are tomorrows fans no matter what bloody colour they are

Cheaper?! Have you seen their season ticket prices?

But you can watch 20 Arsenal games a year on TV.

Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

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Beastie 09 Apr 14 4.38pm
Quote Username at 09 Apr 2014 4.14pm Quote Kosowski at 09 Apr 2014 3.47pm Quote paperhat at 09 Apr 2014 3.16pm Quote Beastie at 09 Apr 2014 2.49pm Football culture has developed through the generations from the days when the only way to see high quality football was to watch your local professional club. The sense of belonging and loyalty doesn’t translate well to people outside of that culture in this day and age. The club’s ‘Born in South London’ campaign was pretty good and aimed at inner London youth but to be honest, to most black kids, being an Arsenal fan will always be easier, cheaper, cooler and more enjoyable. How do you compete with that? go back to handing tickets out to the local schools, get incvolved with the local area more and genreally being a higher profile, more successful club. NOW is the time the club should be capitalising on all of this. these kids are tomorrows fans no matter what bloody colour they are Cheaper?! Have you seen their season ticket prices? But you can watch 20 Arsenal games a year on TV. Yep, that's what I mean. Actually going to games is unlikely to appeal to them in all honesty.
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09 Apr 14 4.38pm

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Quote Kosowski at 09 Apr 2014 3.47pm

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Quote Beastie at 09 Apr 2014 2.49pm

go back to handing tickets out to the local schools, get incvolved with the local area more and genreally being a higher profile, more successful club.

NOW is the time the club should be capitalising on all of this. these kids are tomorrows fans no matter what bloody colour they are

Cheaper?! Have you seen their season ticket prices?

But you can watch 20 Arsenal games a year on TV.

Yep, that's what I mean. Actually going to games is unlikely to appeal to them in all honesty.

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Beastie 09 Apr 14 4.54pm
How many people have got into Palace without having friends or family who were already fans? Next to none I’d say. Following a team like Palace is only enjoyable because you feel part of something and most people get into it when they’re brought by someone. So trying to entice entire communities into coming doesn’t work. You can’t force it. …unless we have a ‘Bring an ethnic Palace to Palace’ scheme?!
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Beastie

09 Apr 14 4.54pm

How many people have got into Palace without having friends or family who were already fans? Next to none I’d say.

Following a team like Palace is only enjoyable because you feel part of something and most people get into it when they’re brought by someone. So trying to entice entire communities into coming doesn’t work. You can’t force it.

…unless we have a ‘Bring an ethnic Palace to Palace’ scheme?!

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Raven South Croydon 09 Apr 14 5.44pm
Quote EastEndPalace at 09 Apr 2014 2.04pm Quote c_block_shedevil at 09 Apr 2014 1.45pm Quote EastEndPalace at 09 Apr 2014 1.10pm Quote c_block_shedevil at 09 Apr 2014 12.49pm Most of the local ethnics are not interested in following palace - Selhurst park has been here since the 20s but it's like we don't exist as far as they are concerned. Those that do enjoy football support Arsenal. I was going to suggest that maybe football is too expensive, then I remembered that a lot of the local youths walk around with £100 trainers, expensive mobile phones and drive expensice cars. I guess we are not fashionable enough for them. Hopefully things will change with future generations. Exactly this. I aint all for pandering them at all because if they wanna come they will. Some local youths are Palace fans through but most are Arsenal. You find the Caribbean lot often support there local team while Africans are usually Arsenal. On a similar thread on the bbs many moons ago, someone suggusted we should offer free tickets/discounts to BME's which I totally disagree with. Give them time, they will come. And if they don't - sod them. Let them support Arsenal or Man United and not know the true passion of being part of community club. And that's what I love about palace. I feel like I know all the people that I stand around. I see all the same faces at the away games I go to. I feel like I belong. How many Arsenal customers can say that? Why give them free tickets because there black? That is ridiculous I have black mates but my god do I f***ing hate do gooders who feel the need to kiss their arses all the time. What's worse is that they force it on other people as well and if you refuse you are automatically, "Stuck in the 80's" We were slaves to the Romans yet we don't go on non stop about it feeling sorry for ourselves. The idea of offering ticket discounts to black or asian people is so ill-conceived I cannot believe anyone in their right mind has suggested it.
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South Croydon 09 Apr 14 5.44pm

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Most of the local ethnics are not interested in following palace - Selhurst park has been here since the 20s but it's like we don't exist as far as they are concerned. Those that do enjoy football support Arsenal.

I was going to suggest that maybe football is too expensive, then I remembered that a lot of the local youths walk around with £100 trainers, expensive mobile phones and drive expensice cars.

I guess we are not fashionable enough for them. Hopefully things will change with future generations.

Exactly this. I aint all for pandering them at all because if they wanna come they will. Some local youths are Palace fans through but most are Arsenal. You find the Caribbean lot often support there local team while Africans are usually Arsenal.

On a similar thread on the bbs many moons ago, someone suggusted we should offer free tickets/discounts to BME's which I totally disagree with.

Give them time, they will come. And if they don't - sod them. Let them support Arsenal or Man United and not know the true passion of being part of community club. And that's what I love about palace. I feel like I know all the people that I stand around. I see all the same faces at the away games I go to. I feel like I belong. How many Arsenal customers can say that?

Why give them free tickets because there black? That is ridiculous I have black mates but my god do I f***ing hate do gooders who feel the need to kiss their arses all the time. What's worse is that they force it on other people as well and if you refuse you are automatically, "Stuck in the 80's" We were slaves to the Romans yet we don't go on non stop about it feeling sorry for ourselves.

The idea of offering ticket discounts to black or asian people is so ill-conceived I cannot believe anyone in their right mind has suggested it.

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wainesworld west wickham 09 Apr 14 5.47pm
If people wanna come they will come. The only group of people I would offer free/cheap tickets to are kids no matter what color, race, creed, or religion they are from. This might just might catch them before they jump on the Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea band wagon. Edited by wainesworld (09 Apr 2014 5.48pm)
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west wickham 09 Apr 14 5.47pm

If people wanna come they will come. The only group of people I would offer free/cheap tickets to are kids no matter what color, race, creed, or religion they are from.
This might just might catch them before they jump on the Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea band wagon.

Edited by wainesworld (09 Apr 2014 5.48pm)

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EastEndPalace WithHardNutsCosImAHardBastard 09 Apr 14 5.47pm
Quote Raven at 09 Apr 2014 5.44pm Quote EastEndPalace at 09 Apr 2014 2.04pm Quote c_block_shedevil at 09 Apr 2014 1.45pm Quote EastEndPalace at 09 Apr 2014 1.10pm Quote c_block_shedevil at 09 Apr 2014 12.49pm Most of the local ethnics are not interested in following palace - Selhurst park has been here since the 20s but it's like we don't exist as far as they are concerned. Those that do enjoy football support Arsenal. I was going to suggest that maybe football is too expensive, then I remembered that a lot of the local youths walk around with £100 trainers, expensive mobile phones and drive expensice cars. I guess we are not fashionable enough for them. Hopefully things will change with future generations. Exactly this. I aint all for pandering them at all because if they wanna come they will. Some local youths are Palace fans through but most are Arsenal. You find the Caribbean lot often support there local team while Africans are usually Arsenal. On a similar thread on the bbs many moons ago, someone suggusted we should offer free tickets/discounts to BME's which I totally disagree with. Give them time, they will come. And if they don't - sod them. Let them support Arsenal or Man United and not know the true passion of being part of community club. And that's what I love about palace. I feel like I know all the people that I stand around. I see all the same faces at the away games I go to. I feel like I belong. How many Arsenal customers can say that? Why give them free tickets because there black? That is ridiculous I have black mates but my god do I f***ing hate do gooders who feel the need to kiss their arses all the time. What's worse is that they force it on other people as well and if you refuse you are automatically, "Stuck in the 80's" We were slaves to the Romans yet we don't go on non stop about it feeling sorry for ourselves. The idea of offering ticket discounts to black or asian people is so ill-conceived I cannot believe anyone in their right mind has suggested it. RACIST!!!!
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WithHardNutsCosImAHardBastard 09 Apr 14 5.47pm

Quote Raven at 09 Apr 2014 5.44pm

Quote EastEndPalace at 09 Apr 2014 2.04pm

Quote c_block_shedevil at 09 Apr 2014 1.45pm

Quote EastEndPalace at 09 Apr 2014 1.10pm

Quote c_block_shedevil at 09 Apr 2014 12.49pm

I was going to suggest that maybe football is too expensive, then I remembered that a lot of the local youths walk around with £100 trainers, expensive mobile phones and drive expensice cars.

I guess we are not fashionable enough for them. Hopefully things will change with future generations.

On a similar thread on the bbs many moons ago, someone suggusted we should offer free tickets/discounts to BME's which I totally disagree with.

The idea of offering ticket discounts to black or asian people is so ill-conceived I cannot believe anyone in their right mind has suggested it.

RACIST!!!!

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c_block_shedevil London 09 Apr 14 5.55pm
Quote Beastie at 09 Apr 2014 4.38pm Quote Username at 09 Apr 2014 4.14pm Quote Kosowski at 09 Apr 2014 3.47pm Quote paperhat at 09 Apr 2014 3.16pm Quote Beastie at 09 Apr 2014 2.49pm Football culture has developed through the generations from the days when the only way to see high quality football was to watch your local professional club. The sense of belonging and loyalty doesn’t translate well to people outside of that culture in this day and age. The club’s ‘Born in South London’ campaign was pretty good and aimed at inner London youth but to be honest, to most black kids, being an Arsenal fan will always be easier, cheaper, cooler and more enjoyable. How do you compete with that? go back to handing tickets out to the local schools, get incvolved with the local area more and genreally being a higher profile, more successful club. NOW is the time the club should be capitalising on all of this. these kids are tomorrows fans no matter what bloody colour they are Cheaper?! Have you seen their season ticket prices? But you can watch 20 Arsenal games a year on TV. Yep, that's what I mean. Actually going to games is unlikely to appeal to them in all honesty. But why though? Are some put off by large groups of white people? Is it pub culture they do not like? Or is it the cost? If only they tried it we can all guarantee they will be hooked! Getting them hooked whilst young at school is the way forward. I'm tough. I'm ambitious. I know exactly what I want. If that makes me a bitch, I'm OK with that.
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Quote Beastie at 09 Apr 2014 4.38pm

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Quote Beastie at 09 Apr 2014 2.49pm

go back to handing tickets out to the local schools, get incvolved with the local area more and genreally being a higher profile, more successful club.

NOW is the time the club should be capitalising on all of this. these kids are tomorrows fans no matter what bloody colour they are

Cheaper?! Have you seen their season ticket prices?

But you can watch 20 Arsenal games a year on TV.

Yep, that's what I mean. Actually going to games is unlikely to appeal to them in all honesty.

But why though? Are some put off by large groups of white people? Is it pub culture they do not like? Or is it the cost?

If only they tried it we can all guarantee they will be hooked!

Getting them hooked whilst young at school is the way forward.

I'm tough. I'm ambitious. I know exactly what I want. If that makes me a bitch, I'm OK with that.

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paperhat croydon 09 Apr 14 6.04pm
Quote Raven at 09 Apr 2014 5.44pm Quote EastEndPalace at 09 Apr 2014 2.04pm Quote c_block_shedevil at 09 Apr 2014 1.45pm Quote EastEndPalace at 09 Apr 2014 1.10pm Quote c_block_shedevil at 09 Apr 2014 12.49pm Most of the local ethnics are not interested in following palace - Selhurst park has been here since the 20s but it's like we don't exist as far as they are concerned. Those that do enjoy football support Arsenal. I was going to suggest that maybe football is too expensive, then I remembered that a lot of the local youths walk around with £100 trainers, expensive mobile phones and drive expensice cars. I guess we are not fashionable enough for them. Hopefully things will change with future generations. Exactly this. I aint all for pandering them at all because if they wanna come they will. Some local youths are Palace fans through but most are Arsenal. You find the Caribbean lot often support there local team while Africans are usually Arsenal. On a similar thread on the bbs many moons ago, someone suggusted we should offer free tickets/discounts to BME's which I totally disagree with. Give them time, they will come. And if they don't - sod them. Let them support Arsenal or Man United and not know the true passion of being part of community club. And that's what I love about palace. I feel like I know all the people that I stand around. I see all the same faces at the away games I go to. I feel like I belong. How many Arsenal customers can say that? Why give them free tickets because there black? That is ridiculous I have black mates but my god do I f*ing hate do gooders who feel the need to kiss their arses all the time. What's worse is that they force it on other people as well and if you refuse you are automatically, "Stuck in the 80's" We were slaves to the Romans yet we don't go on non stop about it feeling sorry for ourselves. The idea of offering ticket discounts to black or asian people is so ill-conceived I cannot believe anyone in their right mind has suggested it.** you're right. surely the jerk chicken shop next door would lure enough trade in on its own eh?* * and for the sake of all the people who've just taken a huge intake of breath, wiped their brows and launched into a tirade of shock and horror, what i've put is just as stupid/offensive/ridiculous as offering discounted tickets due to skin colour or heritage. Clinton is Clinton. I have known him for a long time, I know his mother... Simon Jordan
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croydon 09 Apr 14 6.04pm

Quote Raven at 09 Apr 2014 5.44pm

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Quote EastEndPalace at 09 Apr 2014 1.10pm

Quote c_block_shedevil at 09 Apr 2014 12.49pm

I was going to suggest that maybe football is too expensive, then I remembered that a lot of the local youths walk around with £100 trainers, expensive mobile phones and drive expensice cars.

I guess we are not fashionable enough for them. Hopefully things will change with future generations.

On a similar thread on the bbs many moons ago, someone suggusted we should offer free tickets/discounts to BME's which I totally disagree with.

The idea of offering ticket discounts to black or asian people is so ill-conceived I cannot believe anyone in their right mind has suggested it.

you're right. surely the jerk chicken shop next door would lure enough trade in on its own eh?*

* and for the sake of all the people who've just taken a huge intake of breath, wiped their brows and launched into a tirade of shock and horror, what i've put is just as stupid/offensive/ridiculous as offering discounted tickets due to skin colour or heritage.

Clinton is Clinton. I have known him for a long time, I know his mother... Simon Jordan

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cpfccolin Dorset 09 Apr 14 6.07pm
You will not see any Africans at football matches because they like to buy thinks CHEAP. I live in Abbey wood and have done a lot of plumbing work for them and they don't like paying top dollar. I became a Palace fan not because of my mum or dad, my mum hates football my dad was a Gillingham fan I became a palace fan because I grew up in Thornton Heath, Green Lane
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Dorset 09 Apr 14 6.07pm

You will not see any Africans at football matches because they like to buy thinks CHEAP.

I live in Abbey wood and have done a lot of plumbing work for them and they don't like paying top dollar.

I became a Palace fan not because of my mum or dad, my mum hates football my dad was a Gillingham fan

I became a palace fan because I grew up in Thornton Heath, Green Lane

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EastEndPalace WithHardNutsCosImAHardBastard 09 Apr 14 6.18pm
SheDevil would get it.
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WithHardNutsCosImAHardBastard 09 Apr 14 6.18pm

SheDevil would get it.

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Firegut Croydon 09 Apr 14 7.45pm
Majority of Palace fans support the club because their family or friends did, as people have pointed out. Some people will move into the area and grow to support the club. But those are people who for whatever reason feel to support their local club and so took an interest, then fell for the club as a result, i.e. a minority of the people who move into the area. The only way to attract more fans of a specific type is to attract more fans in general. It's not just blacks and Asians, most whites i know will only "support" the likes of arsenal or Man U as well. So you can't filter the fans you bring in, that would be crass and stupid. The club being bigger would bring in more fans, of all colours. That's all there is to it. Not convinced I share the dream of Palace being South London's answer to Chelsea or Spurs personally, think that would ruin the experience of being a Palace fan in some ways. Otoh it would be nice if Palace dominated south of the river in terms of support. Just be happy whatever happens I suppose
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Croydon 09 Apr 14 7.45pm

Majority of Palace fans support the club because their family or friends did, as people have pointed out. Some people will move into the area and grow to support the club. But those are people who for whatever reason feel to support their local club and so took an interest, then fell for the club as a result, i.e. a minority of the people who move into the area.

The only way to attract more fans of a specific type is to attract more fans in general. It's not just blacks and Asians, most whites i know will only "support" the likes of arsenal or Man U as well.

So you can't filter the fans you bring in, that would be crass and stupid. The club being bigger would bring in more fans, of all colours. That's all there is to it.

Not convinced I share the dream of Palace being South London's answer to Chelsea or Spurs personally, think that would ruin the experience of being a Palace fan in some ways. Otoh it would be nice if Palace dominated south of the river in terms of support. Just be happy whatever happens I suppose

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