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Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 Jan 14 10.23am | |
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Quote Qwijibo at 21 Jan 2014 6.44pm
Can't wait for supposed 'financial fair play' to kick in, if it ever does. The fact that West Ham are able to offer £85k per week to a 31 year old striker is unfortunate on us in the short term, but I'm not sure it will do them any favours 2 years down the line. Look at Bolton, Leeds, Portsmouth. Once you drop, it's very hard to come back. But at least we'd go down stronger. The league will be more competitive once teams work within sensible budgets. When Manchester United struggle to compete in the market, what chance have we got?! For what it's worth, I actually think we can survive as we are. A couple of reinforcements would be great, but not essential.
On Man Utd, they're having difficulties buyin a big signing every Summer because the owners orrowed the money to buy the club, so the interest The Glaziers are paying is what Man Utd fans would've wanted spent on another marquee singing.
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Midlands Eagle 22 Jan 14 10.44am | |
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Quote Lombardos barber at 22 Jan 2014 9.36am
i imagine its a lot of the younger ones who think its all immediate; "Fxck me, we've got £90m to spend, its straight in the bank, lets spend the lot, we'll be in the champions league in 2 years, CPFC 2010 are idiots, they dont care, they want the club to be relegated etc etc etc." You are worse than my mother for exaggeration and that's saying something
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FinchleyEagle 22 Jan 14 10.50am | |
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Quote sydtheeagle at 22 Jan 2014 8.26am
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Quote Seth at 21 Jan 2014 7.39pm
There are 10 days left of the window. I say let's judge the club's signing policies when it's shut. This. Fvck me what a load of nonsense on here. Clubs these days are very media-savvy, they mostly just play the game with the media. Remember the end of the transfer window August 2012 ? Judge us then said Parish - he signed 3 or 4 quality players, that didn't cost the earth and were quality. Suddenly a promotion winning team. Everyone wants everything NOW or sooner - its pathetic. Have some patience - how many clubs have actually signed players of any note ? Why do sky sports hype the last day beyond belief ? Because its the last day where all the deals are concluded. Keep the faith. I don't understand who or what this post is aimed at at all. I've read back through all four pages, and can find very few posts (only three or so) complaining about the lack of incoming players so far in the window. Most of the thread has discussed the relationship between the board, Moody and Pulis and whether or not the board should discuss transfer policy in the media. Both perfectly reasonable subjects to discuss. With regard to playing the media game (your first point) the fact that you do it does not make you savvy. Mourinho is media savvy and so, for that matter, is TP. Extremely so. Oddly, our board (who include a media-relations professional) are surprisingly not. They could learn from any number of clubs that you can't go wrong when you don't open your mouth. Hi Syd ! <waves>
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Midlands Eagle 22 Jan 14 11.02am | |
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Quote lindz at 22 Jan 2014 9.59am
let's look at Hull they have blown 7 million on Shane Long is he worth that? My guess probably not but they looked desperate went gun oh instead of holding there ground for another 2-3 weeks when that might of left WBA panicking if they needed him off the books and accepted 5.5 million so they would of saved 1.5million they may not of dropped but to save a few quid it's worth waiting. The January window is all about keeping your cards close to your chest and holding your poker face for as long as you can it's We as a club are not willing to just throw money away and with our owners background they have excellent ability to negotiate a good deal just look at there businesses to see thisall about patience because once one club moves they all start moving but the first to move usually gets the raw deal so we're waiting patiently to get what we want at the right prices. If there's no solid rumours or confirmations by about the 26th 27th then it might be time to worry but until then Patience is the key.
You claim that “We as a club are not willing to just throw money away” which implies that other clubs are. Of course we want value for money and only want to buy players that improve the squad but outside of the big six so does everyone else. You also claim that our owners have “excellent ability to negotiate a good deal just look at there businesses to see this” The fact that all four directors have had successful business careers doesn’t imply a) that they have any ability to negotiate at all and b) that they know anything about running a football club. One of the directors has a background in motor insurance another is a vintner whilst the most vocal of all has a background in brand management which in plain English means convincing people that products are wonderful when perhaps they are anything but.
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Plane Bromley 22 Jan 14 11.10am | |
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Quote Ian J at 22 Jan 2014 11.02am
Quote lindz at 22 Jan 2014 9.59am
let's look at Hull they have blown 7 million on Shane Long is he worth that? My guess probably not but they looked desperate went gun oh instead of holding there ground for another 2-3 weeks when that might of left WBA panicking if they needed him off the books and accepted 5.5 million so they would of saved 1.5million they may not of dropped but to save a few quid it's worth waiting. The January window is all about keeping your cards close to your chest and holding your poker face for as long as you can it's We as a club are not willing to just throw money away and with our owners background they have excellent ability to negotiate a good deal just look at there businesses to see thisall about patience because once one club moves they all start moving but the first to move usually gets the raw deal so we're waiting patiently to get what we want at the right prices. If there's no solid rumours or confirmations by about the 26th 27th then it might be time to worry but until then Patience is the key.
You claim that “We as a club are not willing to just throw money away” which implies that other clubs are. Of course we want value for money and only want to buy players that improve the squad but outside of the big six so does everyone else. You also claim that our owners have “excellent ability to negotiate a good deal just look at there businesses to see this” The fact that all four directors have had successful business careers doesn’t imply a) that they have any ability to negotiate at all and b) that they know anything about running a football club. One of the directors has a background in motor insurance another is a vintner whilst the most vocal of all has a background in brand management which in plain English means convincing people that products are wonderful when perhaps they are anything but. Perhaps we should install you as chairman as you have a vast knowledge of every subject (thank goodness for google eh ) and will always pinpoint where our owners are going wrong, in fact you are probably the ceo of a top 100 company no doubt.
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victor43 St. Albans 22 Jan 14 11.17am | |
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Quote Ian J at 22 Jan 2014 11.02am
Quote lindz at 22 Jan 2014 9.59am
let's look at Hull they have blown 7 million on Shane Long is he worth that? My guess probably not but they looked desperate went gun oh instead of holding there ground for another 2-3 weeks when that might of left WBA panicking if they needed him off the books and accepted 5.5 million so they would of saved 1.5million they may not of dropped but to save a few quid it's worth waiting. The January window is all about keeping your cards close to your chest and holding your poker face for as long as you can it's We as a club are not willing to just throw money away and with our owners background they have excellent ability to negotiate a good deal just look at there businesses to see thisall about patience because once one club moves they all start moving but the first to move usually gets the raw deal so we're waiting patiently to get what we want at the right prices. If there's no solid rumours or confirmations by about the 26th 27th then it might be time to worry but until then Patience is the key.
You claim that “We as a club are not willing to just throw money away” which implies that other clubs are. Of course we want value for money and only want to buy players that improve the squad but outside of the big six so does everyone else. You also claim that our owners have “excellent ability to negotiate a good deal just look at there businesses to see this” The fact that all four directors have had successful business careers doesn’t imply a) that they have any ability to negotiate at all and b) that they know anything about running a football club. One of the directors has a background in motor insurance another is a vintner whilst the most vocal of all has a background in brand management which in plain English means convincing people that products are wonderful when perhaps they are anything but.
Also, what makes you think you know anything about running a ootball club?! Surely they are much MUCH better placed than you or I in any of this. Obviously doesn't mean they are immune to criticism, but they clearly want to be careful with their money, and you can't say Cardiff, Hull, QPR, Bolton etc have done the same. If you think they are not trying to bring players in you are deluded. It's pretty damn difficult, of course Pulis 'hoped' we would have signed players early, but for whatever reason we haven't been able to. I, for one, do not think it for lack of trying. Name some signings our rivals have made in Jan that we should have got. Go on.
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victor43 St. Albans 22 Jan 14 11.18am | |
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Quote Plane at 22 Jan 2014 11.10am
Quote Ian J at 22 Jan 2014 11.02am
Quote lindz at 22 Jan 2014 9.59am
let's look at Hull they have blown 7 million on Shane Long is he worth that? My guess probably not but they looked desperate went gun oh instead of holding there ground for another 2-3 weeks when that might of left WBA panicking if they needed him off the books and accepted 5.5 million so they would of saved 1.5million they may not of dropped but to save a few quid it's worth waiting. The January window is all about keeping your cards close to your chest and holding your poker face for as long as you can it's We as a club are not willing to just throw money away and with our owners background they have excellent ability to negotiate a good deal just look at there businesses to see thisall about patience because once one club moves they all start moving but the first to move usually gets the raw deal so we're waiting patiently to get what we want at the right prices. If there's no solid rumours or confirmations by about the 26th 27th then it might be time to worry but until then Patience is the key.
You claim that “We as a club are not willing to just throw money away” which implies that other clubs are. Of course we want value for money and only want to buy players that improve the squad but outside of the big six so does everyone else. You also claim that our owners have “excellent ability to negotiate a good deal just look at there businesses to see this” The fact that all four directors have had successful business careers doesn’t imply a) that they have any ability to negotiate at all and b) that they know anything about running a football club. One of the directors has a background in motor insurance another is a vintner whilst the most vocal of all has a background in brand management which in plain English means convincing people that products are wonderful when perhaps they are anything but. Perhaps we should install you as chairman as you have a vast knowledge of every subject (thank goodness for google eh ) and will always pinpoint where our owners are going wrong, in fact you are probably the ceo of a top 100 company no doubt.
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sydtheeagle England 22 Jan 14 11.23am | |
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Quote Plane at 22 Jan 2014 11.10am
Perhaps we should install you as chairman as you have a vast knowledge of every subject (thank goodness for google eh ) and will always pinpoint where our owners are going wrong, in fact you are probably the ceo of a top 100 company no doubt. Why is it that when anyone makes a cogent, rationally argued point that does not toe the popular line, they are denigrated? Surely Ian has the right to ask pertinent questions about the performance of the owners without it being concluded that he should be made chairman himself? If you go into hospital and a surgeon botches your operation and you criticise his surgical record, is "why don't we let you do the operation yourself?" a sensible response? Only an idiot would say that. In a democracy or any kind of open forum, it's absolutely critical to the health of an organisation that someone asks difficult questions in a sensible way, as Ian has done. This doesn't make him a CEO, but it does make his posts far more worth reading than snipey rubbish like the above. No one has to agree with him but at least offer sensible replies otherwise what's the point of the board?
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sydtheeagle England 22 Jan 14 11.32am | |
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Quote victor43 at 22 Jan 2014 11.17am
I would be very surprised if you get that successful without an ability to negotiate. And considering the great deal we got for Wilf, I would say that is pretty good evidence that they do. Also, what makes you think you know anything about running a ootball club?! Surely they are much MUCH better placed than you or I in any of this. Obviously doesn't mean they are immune to criticism, but they clearly want to be careful with their money, and you can't say Cardiff, Hull, QPR, Bolton etc have done the same. If you think they are not trying to bring players in you are deluded. It's pretty damn difficult, of course Pulis 'hoped' we would have signed players early, but for whatever reason we haven't been able to. I, for one, do not think it for lack of trying. Name some signings our rivals have made in Jan that we should have got. Go on. 1. Becoming a successful CEO is largely a matter of a). hiring expert people, and b). getting out of their way so they can do what's made them successful. All CEOs come from one area of the business (sales, marketing, product design, technology, recruitment, or whatever) and have one primary skill-set. The good ones continue to influence their area of expertise while letting other C-level executives they've hired run theirs. Thus, it would make sense for Steve Parish to influence our marketing. It would make sense for Martin Long to make decisions about the club's insurance. It would make sense for Steve Browett to be involved in the bars and catering. It would make no sense for any of them to be remotely involved in player recruitment. That's why they've hired Iain Moody. Their contribution should be to agree the budget and let Moody (and TP) get on with the rest, including communicating with the press. This way, they can be careful with their money while also focusing on areas where they can actually add value. 2. Why does Ian, or me, pointing this out lead to the accusation that we know how to run a football club? I, for one, don't (though I do know how to run a business and I have run a profitable one for the last two years.) 3. I think we all know that we are trying to bring in players. But some of us feel that if the experts (IM, TP) were left alone to do it (with strict budget guidelines in place) then we might be getting further than we are with various vintners and ad agency executives spouting off in the press. Cue brickbats...
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Plane Bromley 22 Jan 14 11.40am | |
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Quote sydtheeagle at 22 Jan 2014 11.23am
Quote Plane at 22 Jan 2014 11.10am
Perhaps we should install you as chairman as you have a vast knowledge of every subject (thank goodness for google eh ) and will always pinpoint where our owners are going wrong, in fact you are probably the ceo of a top 100 company no doubt. Why is it that when anyone makes a cogent, rationally argued point that does not toe the popular line, they are denigrated? Surely Ian has the right to ask pertinent questions about the performance of the owners without it being concluded that he should be made chairman himself? If you go into hospital and a surgeon botches your operation and you criticise his surgical record, is "why don't we let you do the operation yourself?" a sensible response? Only an idiot would say that. In a democracy or any kind of open forum, it's absolutely critical to the health of an organisation that someone asks difficult questions in a sensible way, as Ian has done. This doesn't make him a CEO, but it does make his posts far more worth reading than snipey rubbish like the above. No one has to agree with him but at least offer sensible replies otherwise what's the point of the board?
It's no surprise to me that you spring to Ian's defence as you both share the same dislike for Steve Parish. You may see yours and Ian's fantasy posts as informative and enlightening but you admitted in another thread you find Parish vulgar, so I'm not really sure you will be able to keep an open mind on any matter where he is the subject. You speak of a democracy, surely in any democracy there has to be the contra view, I am the that view to you and Ian.
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Lombardos barber 22 Jan 14 11.45am | |
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Quote sydtheeagle at 22 Jan 2014 11.32am
Quote victor43 at 22 Jan 2014 11.17am
I would be very surprised if you get that successful without an ability to negotiate. And considering the great deal we got for Wilf, I would say that is pretty good evidence that they do. Also, what makes you think you know anything about running a ootball club?! Surely they are much MUCH better placed than you or I in any of this. Obviously doesn't mean they are immune to criticism, but they clearly want to be careful with their money, and you can't say Cardiff, Hull, QPR, Bolton etc have done the same. If you think they are not trying to bring players in you are deluded. It's pretty damn difficult, of course Pulis 'hoped' we would have signed players early, but for whatever reason we haven't been able to. I, for one, do not think it for lack of trying. Name some signings our rivals have made in Jan that we should have got. Go on. 1. Becoming a successful CEO is largely a matter of a). hiring expert people, and b). getting out of their way so they can do what's made them successful. All CEOs come from one area of the business (sales, marketing, product design, technology, recruitment, or whatever) and have one primary skill-set. The good ones continue to influence their area of expertise while letting other C-level executives they've hired run theirs. Thus, it would make sense for Steve Parish to influence our marketing. It would make sense for Martin Long to make decisions about the club's insurance. It would make sense for Steve Browett to be involved in the bars and catering. It would make no sense for any of them to be remotely involved in player recruitment. That's why they've hired Iain Moody. Their contribution should be to agree the budget and let Moody (and TP) get on with the rest, including communicating with the press. This way, they can be careful with their money while also focusing on areas where they can actually add value. 2. Why does Ian, or me, pointing this out lead to the accusation that we know how to run a football club? I, for one, don't (though I do know how to run a business and I have run a profitable one for the last two years.) 3. I think we all know that we are trying to bring in players. But some of us feel that if the experts (IM, TP) were left alone to do it (with strict budget guidelines in place) then we might be getting further than we are with various vintners and ad agency executives spouting off in the press. Cue brickbats... Good fxcking God!! Do you not think that IM in particular is involved in our txfr dealings? Do you not think they are trying their best? Every year under CPFC 2010's stewardship our club improves, whether it be infrastructure, ability to generate revenue, permanent staff, playing staff. But we still are way down the Premier League food chain and do not have the ability over time of generating the revenue needed to sustain players on 30k+ a week or whatever players we are interested in are demanding. Financial prudence is everything im afraid, even if it means us dropping back down for a season as we continue to develop. TP needs to be patient, as do our fans and accept where we are as a club, which means playing the game in the window right up to the last minute of the window to get the best deal.
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sydtheeagle England 22 Jan 14 11.48am | |
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Quote Plane at 22 Jan 2014 11.40am
It's no surprise to me that you spring to Ian's defence as you both share the same dislike for Steve Parish. You may see yours and Ian's fantasy posts as informative and enlightening but you admitted in another thread you find Parish vulgar, so I'm not really sure you will be able to keep an open mind on any matter where he is the subject. You speak of a democracy, surely in any democracy there has to be the contra view, I am the that view to you and Ian. I have no problem with our disagreeing, but you are not offering a contra view. At least in the posts to which I was referring, people were simply having a go at Ian personally and not responding to what he said. I am more than happy to debate all-comers..."you are wrong about Parish because...", but I have an issue with "Syd and Ian are t***s because they just don't like Parish." No, I don't, but my criticisms of his actions and the reasons for them have been very lucidly spelled out. I don't like Roman Abramovich, not even remotely, but I would not criticise the way he runs his football club. It is not necessary for me to like someone to respect them. You seem unable to grasp that. I can think someone is a complete t*** but still laud them for doing a good job. However, when they behave like a t*** and do a poor job...
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