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jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Aug 11 11.19am
I'd also like to point out, that my hate of Jim Davidson stems from the fact he's not actually funny. I quite like Roy Chubby Brown and Bernard Manning. But Jim Davidson is funny, at best, in the way finding a lump on your testicals is funny (or waking up with no memory of the last 15 hours, covered in semen is funny). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 26 Aug 11 11.19am

I'd also like to point out, that my hate of Jim Davidson stems from the fact he's not actually funny. I quite like Roy Chubby Brown and Bernard Manning.

But Jim Davidson is funny, at best, in the way finding a lump on your testicals is funny (or waking up with no memory of the last 15 hours, covered in semen is funny).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Kermit8 Hevon 26 Aug 11 11.21am
Quote Cucking Funt at 26 Aug 2011 10.08am I'm very much in agreement with Stirlingsays. I find all the self-righteous spluttering about Davidson, Manning et al. more than a little tedious. Sorry, Kermie and SW2..... but it's just so dull. Just calling a spade a spade. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote Cucking Funt at 26 Aug 2011 10.08am

I'm very much in agreement with Stirlingsays. I find all the self-righteous spluttering about Davidson, Manning et al. more than a little tedious.

Sorry, Kermie and SW2..... but it's just so dull.

Just calling a spade a spade.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Aug 11 11.28am
Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Aug 2011 8.08pm It's not a racist joke, it's a racial joke. Proving someone a racist is far harder than calling someone one. It would be nice if the weak minded who holler 'racist' over any mention of race in any context other than a positive mode had the mental ability to recognise that they indirectly encourage a form of 'thought police'. It is racist, it projects a stereotype as norm in a sole context. Now post-modern ironic defence falls down, because its a single joke. The PMI defence generally requires a broad spectrum of humour, or the general theme being of portraying racism as ridiculous (embracing the absurd). But most important in terms of PMI is that its not actually very funny, and its an old joke, thats been rehashed so often it doesn't work. To be post modern it has to have evolved into something that fits with Post Modernism. Its not just enough to claim something is Post Modern Irony, it actually has to be post modern and ironic. Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Aug 2011 8.08pm Jim Davidson was of his time, so sorry some berks can't get over him....I believed he apologised over offence caused.I never enjoyed that 'Chalky' stuff myself. Still, the self righteous way he is treated by some on the left makes me sick. If someone isn't trying to stir hatred and apologises they should be able to move on. Bernard Manning, Roy Chubby Brown were also of that time, and they were also funny in that time, and still are, because they're good comedians. The real test is whether the objectionable is funny, and those two are really very good comedians. Good timing, structure, self depravtion etc. Davidson on the other hand has always been a two bit song and dance / fool / entertainer who in a later age would have been a serial drug addict closet gay/gay denier who had a corpse turn up in his swimming pool. All people should hate Jim Davidson, not because he's a racist, but because he's less entertaining than being the bitch in a three way gang rape. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 26 Aug 11 11.28am

Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Aug 2011 8.08pm

It's not a racist joke, it's a racial joke.
Proving someone a racist is far harder than calling someone one.
It would be nice if the weak minded who holler 'racist' over any mention of race in any context other than a positive mode had the mental ability to recognise that they indirectly encourage a form of 'thought police'.

It is racist, it projects a stereotype as norm in a sole context. Now post-modern ironic defence falls down, because its a single joke. The PMI defence generally requires a broad spectrum of humour, or the general theme being of portraying racism as ridiculous (embracing the absurd).

But most important in terms of PMI is that its not actually very funny, and its an old joke, thats been rehashed so often it doesn't work. To be post modern it has to have evolved into something that fits with Post Modernism. Its not just enough to claim something is Post Modern Irony, it actually has to be post modern and ironic.

Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Aug 2011 8.08pm

Jim Davidson was of his time, so sorry some berks can't get over him....I believed he apologised over offence caused.I never enjoyed that 'Chalky' stuff myself. Still, the self righteous way he is treated by some on the left makes me sick. If someone isn't trying to stir hatred and apologises they should be able to move on.

Bernard Manning, Roy Chubby Brown were also of that time, and they were also funny in that time, and still are, because they're good comedians. The real test is whether the objectionable is funny, and those two are really very good comedians. Good timing, structure, self depravtion etc.

Davidson on the other hand has always been a two bit song and dance / fool / entertainer who in a later age would have been a serial drug addict closet gay/gay denier who had a corpse turn up in his swimming pool.

All people should hate Jim Davidson, not because he's a racist, but because he's less entertaining than being the bitch in a three way gang rape.

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Kermit8 Hevon 26 Aug 11 12.11pm
Jim Davidson/Michael Barrymore?? - Interesting wrong comedian mix-up there Jaime Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 26 Aug 11 12.11pm

Jim Davidson/Michael Barrymore?? - Interesting wrong comedian mix-up there Jaime

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 26 Aug 11 12.15pm
Not wishing to get dragged into this any further but, for the record, Roy 'Chubby' Brown has got to be the most odious, unfunny, repulsive cnt ever. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham*
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Not wishing to get dragged into this any further but, for the record, Roy 'Chubby' Brown has got to be the most odious, unfunny, repulsive c*nt ever.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Kermit8 Hevon 26 Aug 11 12.20pm
Quote Cucking Funt at 26 Aug 2011 12.15pm Not wishing to get dragged into this any further but, for the record, Roy 'Chubby' Brown has got to be the most odious, unfunny, repulsive c*nt ever. He was good in the League of Gentlemen Series 1. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote Cucking Funt at 26 Aug 2011 12.15pm

Not wishing to get dragged into this any further but, for the record, Roy 'Chubby' Brown has got to be the most odious, unfunny, repulsive c*nt ever.

He was good in the League of Gentlemen Series 1.

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Piper BROMLEY 26 Aug 11 1.04pm
Breaking News: AT 3.57am this morning, two Muslims have crashed a speedboat into the Thames barrier in London. Police thought it might be the start of ram-a-dam. Later, they have been advised that Ramadan in London did not start until 4.25am on Friday.
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Breaking News:

AT 3.57am this morning, two Muslims have crashed a speedboat into the Thames barrier in London.

Police thought it might be the start of ram-a-dam.

Later, they have been advised that Ramadan in London did not start until 4.25am on Friday.

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Stirlingsays 26 Aug 11 1.22pm
Wishy-washy right wing nonsense trying to redeem the fella I'm not trying to redeem Davison, I'm no particular fan of his, I just don't like over the top character assassinations. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Wishy-washy right wing nonsense trying to redeem the fella

I'm not trying to redeem Davison, I'm no particular fan of his, I just don't like over the top character assassinations.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Kermit8 Hevon 26 Aug 11 1.36pm
Quote Piper at 26 Aug 2011 1.04pm Breaking News: AT 3.57am this morning, two Muslims have crashed a speedboat into the Thames barrier in London. Police thought it might be the start of ram-a-dam. Later, they have been advised that Ramadan in London did not start until 4.25am on Friday. Heard it all before. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote Piper at 26 Aug 2011 1.04pm

Breaking News:

AT 3.57am this morning, two Muslims have crashed a speedboat into the Thames barrier in London.

Police thought it might be the start of ram-a-dam.

Later, they have been advised that Ramadan in London did not start until 4.25am on Friday.

Heard it all before.

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Stirlingsays 26 Aug 11 1.49pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 26 Aug 2011 11.28am Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Aug 2011 8.08pm It's not a racist joke, it's a racial joke. Proving someone a racist is far harder than calling someone one. It would be nice if the weak minded who holler 'racist' over any mention of race in any context other than a positive mode had the mental ability to recognise that they indirectly encourage a form of 'thought police'. It is racist, it projects a stereotype as norm in a sole context. Now post-modern ironic defence falls down, because its a single joke. The PMI defence generally requires a broad spectrum of humour, or the general theme being of portraying racism as ridiculous (embracing the absurd). But most important in terms of PMI is that its not actually very funny, and its an old joke, thats been rehashed so often it doesn't work. To be post modern it has to have evolved into something that fits with Post Modernism. Its not just enough to claim something is Post Modern Irony, it actually has to be post modern and ironic. Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Aug 2011 8.08pm Jim Davidson was of his time, so sorry some berks can't get over him....I believed he apologised over offence caused.I never enjoyed that 'Chalky' stuff myself. Still, the self righteous way he is treated by some on the left makes me sick. If someone isn't trying to stir hatred and apologises they should be able to move on. Bernard Manning, Roy Chubby Brown were also of that time, and they were also funny in that time, and still are, because they're good comedians. The real test is whether the objectionable is funny, and those two are really very good comedians. Good timing, structure, self depravtion etc. Davidson on the other hand has always been a two bit song and dance / fool / entertainer who in a later age would have been a serial drug addict closet gay/gay denier who had a corpse turn up in his swimming pool. All people should hate Jim Davidson, not because he's a racist, but because he's less entertaining than being the bitch in a three way gang rape. So a person who uses stereotypes is a racist? Well, yes a racist must use stereotypes but then again this is a very tricky area because stereotyping is normal human behaviour as a product of pattern recognition. The same logic could be used to suppose that if I make a mother-in-law joke it means that I dislike or hate mother-in-laws.....Jokes shouldn't be used as proof of anything. For example, some ethic comedians make jokes about 'black issues' or being Iranian, are they not stereotyping their own race? Isn't it racist to say that a black person can make jokes about 'black issues' but a white person can't because they are white? Is a black comedian racist if he says white people can't dance or jump? No he isn't. The whole thing as a basis of proof doesn't stand up when it is examined. The term 'racist' is thrown around way too easily, it should be kept for those who encourage hatred. This said I much prefer an environment where racial jokes aren't used, but mainly because they can lead to unpleasantness and in the weak minded eventually a belief that they are more than just a joke. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Aug 11 1.49pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 26 Aug 2011 11.28am

Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Aug 2011 8.08pm

All people should hate Jim Davidson, not because he's a racist, but because he's less entertaining than being the bitch in a three way gang rape.

So a person who uses stereotypes is a racist? Well, yes a racist must use stereotypes but then again this is a very tricky area because stereotyping is normal human behaviour as a product of pattern recognition.

The same logic could be used to suppose that if I make a mother-in-law joke it means that I dislike or hate mother-in-laws.....Jokes shouldn't be used as proof of anything.

For example, some ethic comedians make jokes about 'black issues' or being Iranian, are they not stereotyping their own race? Isn't it racist to say that a black person can make jokes about 'black issues' but a white person can't because they are white? Is a black comedian racist if he says white people can't dance or jump? No he isn't.
The whole thing as a basis of proof doesn't stand up when it is examined.

The term 'racist' is thrown around way too easily, it should be kept for those who encourage hatred.

This said I much prefer an environment where racial jokes aren't used, but mainly because they can lead to unpleasantness and in the weak minded eventually a belief that they are more than just a joke.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 26 Aug 11 1.53pm
Please forgive my terrible misspelling of the word 'ethnic'. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Aug 11 1.53pm

Please forgive my terrible misspelling of the word 'ethnic'.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Kermit8 Hevon 26 Aug 11 1.53pm
"This said I much prefer an environment where racial jokes aren't used, but mainly because they can lead to unpleasantness and in the weak minded eventually a belief that they are more than just a joke." Very true that, stirling. And there are lots of weak-minded individuals out there. Edited by Kermit8 (26 Aug 2011 1.53pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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"This said I much prefer an environment where racial jokes aren't used, but mainly because they can lead to unpleasantness and in the weak minded eventually a belief that they are more than just a joke."

Very true that, stirling. And there are lots of weak-minded individuals out there.

Edited by Kermit8 (26 Aug 2011 1.53pm)

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