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 Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 13 Nov 23 1.23pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No, it isn't. People who are ordinary can disagree but they don't behave like that. There have always been those who seek to confront, and that's what was seen. These are Yaxley-Lennon types, determined to attract attention to themselves having been given an excuse to do so by the odious Braverman. If they think their actions and words are funny, then it's not clear to me. It's a bit like people who sit in the middle of roads supposedly to save the planet isn't it? Or those who march for anti-Semitic reasons veiled as being for humanitarian causes thousands of miles away from their location, or dress up as the opposite sex and try to force others to accept their distortion of reality, or claim everything as racist, or dye their hair and cut it short before screaming in public and trying to get anyone who criticises them 'cancelled', and many more of course. It's all the same people, they just choose different avenues through which to behave as such. Funny how there's widespread endorsement of some of these but condemnation of others however. It's almost as if some nonsense and ludicrous behaviour is favourable for those in power and others not. I have genuinely never actually read the books/watched the films but my conceptual understanding of 'The Hunger Games' would be useful here. Let people identify within any of these groups, put them on an island to battle to the death and see which one comes out on top. Perhaps those who do not participate can be considered as 'normal'? Hang on a minute, isn't the UK (minus N.Ireland) an island...
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Teddy Eagle  13 Nov 23 1.27pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I think this is to try and make Britain look important again, an ex-PM as foreign secretary, but its window-dressing. However, the austerity and Brexit baggage comes with him, Britain's problems are largely caused by him and Osborne. His appointment, his lordship, show that Sunak is not changing in fact the reverse, a party of nihilists led by a loser. Would nihilists choose a winner?
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Badger11  Beckenham 13 Nov 23 1.50pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
It is unacceptable that Cameron is appointed to one of the major offices of state when he is not an elected MP. It's like being back in the EU with unelected appointees running things.
I agree it is unacceptable for one very good reason. Cameron will sit in the Lords but the elected MPs in the Commons will not have the chance to question him or debate with him on policy. They will have to make do with a junior minister. Not a good look.
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| Matov 13 Nov 23 1.50pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
It is unacceptable that Cameron is appointed to one of the major offices of state when he is not an elected MP. It's like being back in the EU with unelected appointees running things.
Cameron is back precisely because we are going back into the EU. And proof, if anymore were needed, that this current Government actually WANT to lose the next election. Not only WANT to lose it but WANT to hand Starmer a massive majority. Because that is what he is going to need if we are going to go back into the EU. Even I have to admit that Cameron's appointment was a WTF moment that I never saw coming in a million years but it also backs up what I have been saying for a while now about the utterly electorally suicidal path the Tories have been on ever since turning on Truss in the way that did and then appointing Sunak without asking the membership. There is no other explanation possible now.
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| Matov 13 Nov 23 2.25pm |
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Ok. Some wild speculation here so humour me. Sunak is TRYING to force a collapse in this Government? That by deliberately pissing off numerous Tory MP's is designed to effectively force a general election? Because this cabinet reshuffle makes no sense whatsoever unless you accept that Sunak is hellbent on making the Tories even more unpopular?
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Nov 23 2.42pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Ok. Some wild speculation here so humour me. Sunak is TRYING to force a collapse in this Government? That by deliberately pissing off numerous Tory MP's is designed to effectively force a general election? Because this cabinet reshuffle makes no sense whatsoever unless you accept that Sunak is hellbent on making the Tories even more unpopular? They probably think that there is no chance of reelection then this makes sense. As an opposition party there is zero accountability and you can just spout populist rubbish, with no costings whatsoever. They also probably realise how obvious it is that Starmer will be rubbish. So four years talking crap, then quids in. Probably a whole raft of new party donors too once Labour piss off everyone.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Nov 23 2.42pm |
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I am totally disgusted and incandescent with rage over the removal of Suella Braverman and the appointment of the EU loving 'Remainer' David Cameron. Sunak has picked a fight with the 'Right' of the Conservative Party and it will be no surprise if the Conservatives 'Haemorrhage' votes to 'Reform UK'. I know a number of grassroots members who are appalled by the latest announcements and will refuse to offer it any more support. Alas Sunak has 'Lost the plot'.
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| Matov 13 Nov 23 2.52pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
I am totally disgusted and incandescent with rage over the removal of Suella Braverman and the appointment of the EU loving 'Remainer' David Cameron. Sunak has picked a fight with the 'Right' of the Conservative Party and it will be no surprise if the Conservatives 'Haemorrhage' votes to 'Reform UK'. I know a number of grassroots members who are appalled by the latest announcements and will refuse to offer it any more support. Alas Sunak has 'Lost the plot'.
This can only be now seen as a deliberate plan to lose the next election. Because there must be some serious s***baggery coming down the pipe in the next 5 years that the Tories want to steer well clear of.
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| NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Nov 23 3.02pm |
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Sunak never had a plot to lose in the first place ! Now he's busy re-arranging the deckchairs on his Titanic. I don't think he's trying to force a collapse in Government because this Government has been dysfunctional for the last three years +. Political vanity wouldn't permit it. Really I wish that a GE was held as soon as possible because this is just painful at the moment. I have no confidence in Starmer & Co but equally the country needs change away from the current regime. A bit like a club that uses relegation as a means to re-group and hopefully come back stronger, the Tories need to have a spell in Opposition for a term and identify some new blood that may show the potential to deliver meaningful change. Because this present lot have failed dismally.
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| Matov 13 Nov 23 3.46pm |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
A bit like a club that uses relegation as a means to re-group and hopefully come back stronger, the Tories need to have a spell in Opposition for a term and identify some new blood that may show the potential to deliver meaningful change. Because this present lot have failed dismally.
The Tories won an astounding victory in 2019. They then go on to win Hartlepool in what I think was Starmers first by-election challenge as leader. They could, and still can, pass any legislation they want. And Starmer is not very good. Utterly lacking in any kind of meaningful charisma. And yet they have not only imploded but seem keen on continually ensuring there is no chance of the balloon being inflated any time soon. There is something very very murky going on with this and goes well beyond the usual.
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| NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Nov 23 4.07pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
The Tories won an astounding victory in 2019. They then go on to win Hartlepool in what I think was Starmers first by-election challenge as leader. They could, and still can, pass any legislation they want. And Starmer is not very good. Utterly lacking in any kind of meaningful charisma. And yet they have not only imploded but seem keen on continually ensuring there is no chance of the balloon being inflated any time soon. There is something very very murky going on with this and goes well beyond the usual. I had Fulham in mind rather than Manchester City !
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 Hrolf The Ganger 13 Nov 23 4.41pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Who is Yaxley-Lennon? His agent must be paying out fortunes judging by the number of name checks he gets. He makes for a great stooge that tosspots on the left and liberal centre can use to distract from the ever growing resistance to mass immigration and wokery. The Tories are going for the middle ground, but I suspect that traditional voters are becoming ever more polarised by the clear schisms that mass immigration has caused in this country. At this rate, the Tories will lose considerably more votes to Reform than I imagined. It remains to be seen how many red wall voters will go back to Labour. I would ask them why they would do so. Labour offer them nothing except even more of what they don't want.
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