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Badger11 Beckenham 20 Dec 23 8.05am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What puzzles me is if we all agree that the USA has peaked and is unable to take the corrective action we think could avoid their inevitable decline, why we thought that tying ourselves to them, and not to our European neighbours, was a good idea. It makes no sense to me. I get that some didn’t like the idea of delegating some decision making, but in today’s world that’s a practical necessity. Something that needs to be swallowed in order to maintain health. You couldn't resist Brexit could you. Sure lets tie ourselves to a group of EU countries that now have problems with mass immigration and the rise of right wing political parties. For all it's faults the US has been our ally since WW2 they certainly have domestic problems just like the EU and we should not slavishly follow their foreign policy. But they are still our allies. The problem with the SC and the Colorado SC is that they are political courts. Neither of us like that but how do you solve that? You could allow Congress to pick the judges but it doesn't solve the problem. A Congress dominated by one party will still select "their man". You could allow the judiciary to pick their own judges as we do in this country. However it is an old boys network with a complete lack of transparency so is even worse that the US system. You could get the voters to elect them as many judges are now but I'm not sure that solves anything. In other words we can all see the problems but none of the answers are much better.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Dec 23 8.49am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
You couldn't resist Brexit could you. Sure lets tie ourselves to a group of EU countries that now have problems with mass immigration and the rise of right wing political parties. For all it's faults the US has been our ally since WW2 they certainly have domestic problems just like the EU and we should not slavishly follow their foreign policy. But they are still our allies. The problem with the SC and the Colorado SC is that they are political courts. Neither of us like that but how do you solve that? You could allow Congress to pick the judges but it doesn't solve the problem. A Congress dominated by one party will still select "their man". You could allow the judiciary to pick their own judges as we do in this country. However it is an old boys network with a complete lack of transparency so is even worse that the US system. You could get the voters to elect them as many judges are now but I'm not sure that solves anything. In other words we can all see the problems but none of the answers are much better. It’s not a matter of resisting Brexit. When something as traumatic as that impacts our whole future it involves itself in every aspect of life. I am not suggesting the USA haven’t been and continue to be our ally. They aren’t going to disappear overnight but they do now look like the past and not the future. Just as we did as the days of Empire faded. So why hang onto their coat tails? I disagree with you over our system of choosing how members of the judiciary get selected here. Being chosen on merit by an independent Commission is a much sounder basis than being chosen by politicians. It could be improved so that for the most senior positions the rest of the judiciary are involved via a secret ballot. You don’t owe a debt to your peers for services rendered and taking politics away has to be better.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Dec 23 8.55am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So vote for someone who'll bring about this change. I would but it seems that in the USA such an idea is a complete non starter. They can elect a mob boss to be President but not change the constitution to stop it happening.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Dec 23 9.04am | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
It seems that unelected justices on the Colorado Supreme Court just decided that the people of Colorado cannot vote for President Donald Trump in 2024. How is this happening in a country that claims to be a "democracy"? They would tell you that they aren’t a democracy, they are a republic. If any candidate has participated in an insurrection then surely it’s unreasonable that they should be allowed to participate in the subsequent election. That said until it has been tested in a court that what Trump did constituted participation he ought not be barred. It has now been tested. Now it goes to the USSC where inevitably it will be overturned, because that’s what they do.
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Badger11 Beckenham 20 Dec 23 9.10am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
They would tell you that they aren’t a democracy, they are a republic. If any candidate has participated in an insurrection then surely it’s unreasonable that they should be allowed to participate in the subsequent election. That said until it has been tested in a court that what Trump did constituted participation he ought not be barred. It has now been tested. Now it goes to the USSC where inevitably it will be overturned, because that’s what they do. One of the dissenting judges Carlos Samour, one of three justices who dissented, argued the government could not "deprive someone of the right to hold public office without due process of law". "Even if we are convinced that a candidate committed horrible acts in the past - dare I say, engaged in insurrection - there must be procedural due process before we can declare that individual disqualified from holding public office," he wrote.
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Teddy Eagle 20 Dec 23 9.25am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I would but it seems that in the USA such an idea is a complete non starter. They can elect a mob boss to be President but not change the constitution to stop it happening. There's also the fact that we can't vote in the American elections so opinions on here are of limited use.
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eaglesdare 20 Dec 23 10.42am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
They would tell you that they aren’t a democracy, they are a republic. If any candidate has participated in an insurrection then surely it’s unreasonable that they should be allowed to participate in the subsequent election. That said until it has been tested in a court that what Trump did constituted participation he ought not be barred. It has now been tested. Now it goes to the USSC where inevitably it will be overturned, because that’s what they do. President Trump was never found guilty of "insurrection"
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silvertop Portishead 20 Dec 23 10.50am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
One of the dissenting judges Carlos Samour, one of three justices who dissented, argued the government could not "deprive someone of the right to hold public office without due process of law". "Even if we are convinced that a candidate committed horrible acts in the past - dare I say, engaged in insurrection - there must be procedural due process before we can declare that individual disqualified from holding public office," he wrote. Yes, Trump has not been convicted of any offence in connection with those riots. In law, until he has been, he hasn't done it. Disappointing only one judge considered that.
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Matov 20 Dec 23 6.34pm | |
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Trump must think this is his Christmas present. First, they gift him that 'Mug-Shot', which sent his support rocketing and now they back up their own lunancy about Trump being set on destroying democracy by trying to ban him from elections. LOL. Are these people really that stupid?
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cryrst The garden of England 20 Dec 23 6.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I would but it seems that in the USA such an idea is a complete non starter. They can elect a mob boss to be President but not change the constitution to stop it happening. Biden has a lot to answer for. A mob boss for sure !
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Teddy Eagle 20 Dec 23 7.56pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Biden has a lot to answer for. A mob boss for sure ! Was he ever seen in the same room as Whitey Bulger?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Dec 23 8.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
One of the dissenting judges Carlos Samour, one of three justices who dissented, argued the government could not "deprive someone of the right to hold public office without due process of law". "Even if we are convinced that a candidate committed horrible acts in the past - dare I say, engaged in insurrection - there must be procedural due process before we can declare that individual disqualified from holding public office," he wrote. I know, I can read too! He was outvoted and I can see why. When the USSC is the end of the due process it’s a little surprising to suggest it hasn’t started.
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