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Badger11 Beckenham 27 Oct 23 8.13am
Originally posted by cryrst Maybe it’s the immigrants who should be given less when they arrive illegally which would allow more to our own. You quoted it without including immigrants in the destitute bracket. On that note: I don't know the answer so I am surmising. If we continue to import around 1m largely poor people into the UK whilst exporting around 500,000 largely educated well paid people does that not have an impact on the numbers of poor? The Windrush generation were largely poor workers who did low paid jobs it was the generations after them that have improved their job prospects e.g. my son the doctor. So 30 years of importing large numbers of poor people (not their fault) maybe has some impact on the number of poor? One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 27 Oct 23 8.13am

Originally posted by cryrst

Maybe it’s the immigrants who should be given less when they arrive illegally which would allow more to our own. You quoted it without including immigrants in the destitute bracket.

On that note:

I don't know the answer so I am surmising. If we continue to import around 1m largely poor people into the UK whilst exporting around 500,000 largely educated well paid people does that not have an impact on the numbers of poor?

The Windrush generation were largely poor workers who did low paid jobs it was the generations after them that have improved their job prospects e.g. my son the doctor.

So 30 years of importing large numbers of poor people (not their fault) maybe has some impact on the number of poor?

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steeleye20 Croydon 30 Oct 23 10.51am
Public services are performing worse than before the pandemic and much worse than when the Conservatives came to power in 2010, according to the Institute for Government (IfG) annual report on the state of public services. The details reveal a dire situation no service is spared. [Link]
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Croydon 30 Oct 23 10.51am

Public services are performing worse than before the pandemic and much worse than when the Conservatives came to power in 2010, according to the Institute for Government (IfG) annual report on the state of public services.

The details reveal a dire situation no service is spared.

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steeleye20 Croydon 05 Nov 23 10.23pm
Poverty levels in the UK are “simply not acceptable” and the government is violating international law, the United Nations’ poverty envoy has said ahead of a visit to the country this week, when he will urge ministers to increase welfare spending. They will probably cut it even more. 13 years of the tories and the end still some way off.
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Croydon 05 Nov 23 10.23pm

Poverty levels in the UK are “simply not acceptable” and the government is violating international law, the United Nations’ poverty envoy has said ahead of a visit to the country this week, when he will urge ministers to increase welfare spending.

They will probably cut it even more.

13 years of the tories and the end still some way off.

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Stirlingsays 05 Nov 23 10.37pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Poverty levels in the UK are “simply not acceptable” and the government is violating international law, the United Nations’ poverty envoy has said ahead of a visit to the country this week, when he will urge ministers to increase welfare spending. They will probably cut it even more. 13 years of the tories and the end still some way off. Well, they could certainly let all the DEI jobs go and make an instant saving.....as that is a new industry created within organisations seemingly to provide 'make busy' jobs to useless activists to swan around all day talking nonsense. I remember during lockdown putting a link on here of the NHS advertising a DEI position with a quite outrageous salary.....While small businesses with hard working people were going to the wall amid a huge wealth transfer the NHS was concerned about creating jobs for leftist belief systems. I remember DanH and Maple defending it and criticising me for highlighting it at the time. So forgive me if I don't regard the left's attitude towards spending as any different or better than the current nutjobs. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Nov 2023 10.42pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Nov 23 10.37pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

They will probably cut it even more.

13 years of the tories and the end still some way off.

Well, they could certainly let all the DEI jobs go and make an instant saving.....as that is a new industry created within organisations seemingly to provide 'make busy' jobs to useless activists to swan around all day talking nonsense.

I remember during lockdown putting a link on here of the NHS advertising a DEI position with a quite outrageous salary.....While small businesses with hard working people were going to the wall amid a huge wealth transfer the NHS was concerned about creating jobs for leftist belief systems.

I remember DanH and Maple defending it and criticising me for highlighting it at the time.

So forgive me if I don't regard the left's attitude towards spending as any different or better than the current nutjobs.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Nov 2023 10.42pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 05 Nov 23 11.04pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well, they could certainly let all the DEI jobs go and make an instant saving.....as that is a new industry created within organisations seemingly to provide 'make busy' jobs to useless activists to swan around all day talking nonsense. I remember during lockdown putting a link on here of the NHS advertising a DEI position with a quite outrageous salary.....While small businesses with hard working people were going to the wall amid a huge wealth transfer the NHS was concerned about creating jobs for leftist belief systems. I remember DanH and Maple defending it and criticising me for highlighting it at the time. So forgive me if I don't regard the left's attitude towards spending as any different or better than the current nutjobs. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Nov 2023 10.42pm) What point are you trying to make? That the government has spotted that the throbbing forehead vein people don’t like EDI and they can get a cheap boost by criticising it and calling it a waste of money? Well done, you fell for it. There is plenty of evidence that having a diverse workforce that listens to one another significantly outperforms a monoculture. Would large businesses bother if it didn’t add value? Or is it that they are all so woke they aren’t motivated by profit? Bloomin leftist capitalists.
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Mapletree

Croydon 05 Nov 23 11.04pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I remember DanH and Maple defending it and criticising me for highlighting it at the time.

So forgive me if I don't regard the left's attitude towards spending as any different or better than the current nutjobs.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Nov 2023 10.42pm)

What point are you trying to make? That the government has spotted that the throbbing forehead vein people don’t like EDI and they can get a cheap boost by criticising it and calling it a waste of money?

Well done, you fell for it.

There is plenty of evidence that having a diverse workforce that listens to one another significantly outperforms a monoculture.

Would large businesses bother if it didn’t add value? Or is it that they are all so woke they aren’t motivated by profit? Bloomin leftist capitalists.

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Stirlingsays 06 Nov 23 12.47am
Originally posted by Mapletree What point are you trying to make? That the government has spotted that the throbbing forehead vein people don’t like EDI and they can get a cheap boost by criticising it and calling it a waste of money? Well done, you fell for it. There is plenty of evidence that having a diverse workforce that listens to one another significantly outperforms a monoculture. Would large businesses bother if it didn’t add value? Or is it that they are all so woke they aren’t motivated by profit? Bloomin leftist capitalists. ESG for corporates and for the public services....Employ enough leftists and expand the ideological estrogen and soy latte soaked HR departments and you get exactly what I said on the tin. Government announcements are drenched in this activism.....our institutions are riddled with these token jobs. You defend wasting money on 'make busy anti white' talking shop jobs and then complain about the lack of funding on essential services. You deserve the criticism for defending it Maple. I suspect the root cause is because....at the root emotional core of your ideological tribe you don't like whitey, especially working class whitey very much. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Nov 2023 7.22am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Nov 23 12.47am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Well done, you fell for it.

There is plenty of evidence that having a diverse workforce that listens to one another significantly outperforms a monoculture.

Would large businesses bother if it didn’t add value? Or is it that they are all so woke they aren’t motivated by profit? Bloomin leftist capitalists.

ESG for corporates and for the public services....Employ enough leftists and expand the ideological estrogen and soy latte soaked HR departments and you get exactly what I said on the tin.

Government announcements are drenched in this activism.....our institutions are riddled with these token jobs.

You defend wasting money on 'make busy anti white' talking shop jobs and then complain about the lack of funding on essential services.

You deserve the criticism for defending it Maple.

I suspect the root cause is because....at the root emotional core of your ideological tribe you don't like whitey, especially working class whitey very much.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Nov 2023 7.22am)

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Stirlingsays 06 Nov 23 1.02am
Show me the independent evidence that DEI jobs add to the profitability of organisations. This I got to see. Here is Warren Buffet on the topic....someone who might just know something about profitability....Here's a clue, he's not a fan of diversity or tick box hiring. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Nov 2023 1.27am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Nov 23 1.02am

Show me the independent evidence that DEI jobs add to the profitability of organisations.

This I got to see.

Here is Warren Buffet on the topic....someone who might just know something about profitability....Here's a clue, he's not a fan of diversity or tick box hiring.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Nov 2023 1.27am)

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Badger11 Beckenham 06 Nov 23 8.13am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Show me the independent evidence that DEI jobs add to the profitability of organisations. This I got to see. Here is Warren Buffet on the topic....someone who might just know something about profitability....Here's a clue, he's not a fan of diversity or tick box hiring. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Nov 2023 1.27am) I started working for for an American bank in the seventies long before diversity and equality was a thing. Never the less in the industry the bank had a good reputation as a place to work if you were a woman or from a minority group. The culture of the bank was they didn't care as long as you could do the job. When I became a manager myself that culture was impressed on me even more e.g. treat people fairly. My issue with all these diversity managers is that this becomes a tick box exercise where the managers just defer to these people rather than taking responsibility themselves. Why do you need them? Most big corporations have an army of HR staff what the hell are they doing all day? They should live and breathe this stuff it doesn't need to be a separate job. One more point
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Beckenham 06 Nov 23 8.13am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Show me the independent evidence that DEI jobs add to the profitability of organisations.

This I got to see.

Here is Warren Buffet on the topic....someone who might just know something about profitability....Here's a clue, he's not a fan of diversity or tick box hiring.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Nov 2023 1.27am)

I started working for for an American bank in the seventies long before diversity and equality was a thing. Never the less in the industry the bank had a good reputation as a place to work if you were a woman or from a minority group.

The culture of the bank was they didn't care as long as you could do the job.

When I became a manager myself that culture was impressed on me even more e.g. treat people fairly.

My issue with all these diversity managers is that this becomes a tick box exercise where the managers just defer to these people rather than taking responsibility themselves.

Why do you need them? Most big corporations have an army of HR staff what the hell are they doing all day? They should live and breathe this stuff it doesn't need to be a separate job.

One more point

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HKOwen Hong Kong 06 Nov 23 11.59am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Show me the independent evidence that DEI jobs add to the profitability of organisations. This I got to see. Here is Warren Buffet on the topic....someone who might just know something about profitability....Here's a clue, he's not a fan of diversity or tick box hiring. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Nov 2023 1.27am) and WB plays the ukelele. I know quite a few people who work in his insurance businesses. He is very strategic and does not do knee jerk. He creates shareholder value rather than try to virtue signal like Budweiser. Another company I worked with were criticised for not having enough women in senior positions. In Asia they promoted a local Singaporean Chinese woman from a marketing role to be country manager then grinned they had ticked two boxes. It did not work well but she was in a position that is called " the iron rice bowl " in Asia, she could not be demoted or fired. Edited by HKOwen (06 Nov 2023 12.03pm) Edited by HKOwen (06 Nov 2023 12.03pm) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 06 Nov 23 11.59am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Show me the independent evidence that DEI jobs add to the profitability of organisations.

This I got to see.

Here is Warren Buffet on the topic....someone who might just know something about profitability....Here's a clue, he's not a fan of diversity or tick box hiring.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Nov 2023 1.27am)

and WB plays the ukelele. I know quite a few people who work in his insurance businesses. He is very strategic and does not do knee jerk. He creates shareholder value rather than try to virtue signal like Budweiser.

Another company I worked with were criticised for not having enough women in senior positions. In Asia they promoted a local Singaporean Chinese woman from a marketing role to be country
manager then grinned they had ticked two boxes. It did not work well but she was in a position that is called " the iron rice bowl " in Asia, she could not be demoted or fired.

Edited by HKOwen (06 Nov 2023 12.03pm)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Stirlingsays 06 Nov 23 12.36pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I started working for for an American bank in the seventies long before diversity and equality was a thing. Never the less in the industry the bank had a good reputation as a place to work if you were a woman or from a minority group. The culture of the bank was they didn't care as long as you could do the job. When I became a manager myself that culture was impressed on me even more e.g. treat people fairly. My issue with all these diversity managers is that this becomes a tick box exercise where the managers just defer to these people rather than taking responsibility themselves. Why do you need them? Most big corporations have an army of HR staff what the hell are they doing all day? They should live and breathe this stuff it doesn't need to be a separate job. Yep, treating people fairly based upon ability just isn't what they are interested in. We live in a world where Kamala Harris was chosen as vice president. With the rate of decline we better hope AI takes over complicated stuff because when the tick box hires are flying your planes and building the bridges it's going to be decidedly dodge. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Nov 23 12.36pm

Originally posted by Badger11

The culture of the bank was they didn't care as long as you could do the job.

When I became a manager myself that culture was impressed on me even more e.g. treat people fairly.

My issue with all these diversity managers is that this becomes a tick box exercise where the managers just defer to these people rather than taking responsibility themselves.

Why do you need them? Most big corporations have an army of HR staff what the hell are they doing all day? They should live and breathe this stuff it doesn't need to be a separate job.

Yep, treating people fairly based upon ability just isn't what they are interested in.

We live in a world where Kamala Harris was chosen as vice president.

With the rate of decline we better hope AI takes over complicated stuff because when the tick box hires are flying your planes and building the bridges it's going to be decidedly dodge.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 06 Nov 23 12.38pm
Originally posted by HKOwen and WB plays the ukelele. I know quite a few people who work in his insurance businesses. He is very strategic and does not do knee jerk. He creates shareholder value rather than try to virtue signal like Budweiser. Another company I worked with were criticised for not having enough women in senior positions. In Asia they promoted a local Singaporean Chinese woman from a marketing role to be country manager then grinned they had ticked two boxes. It did not work well but she was in a position that is called " the iron rice bowl " in Asia, she could not be demoted or fired. The damage this stuff is doing is generational. We need a root and branch clear out of this ideology. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Nov 2023 12.39pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Nov 23 12.38pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

The damage this stuff is doing is generational.

We need a root and branch clear out of this ideology.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Nov 2023 12.39pm)

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beak croydon 06 Nov 23 12.40pm
Originally posted by HKOwen and WB plays the ukelele. I know quite a few people who work in his insurance businesses. He is very strategic and does not do knee jerk. He creates shareholder value rather than try to virtue signal like Budweiser. Another company I worked with were criticised for not having enough women in senior positions. In Asia they promoted a local Singaporean Chinese woman from a marketing role to be country manager then grinned they had ticked two boxes. It did not work well but she was in a position that is called " the iron rice bowl " in Asia, she could not be demoted or fired. Edited by HKOwen (06 Nov 2023 12.03pm) Edited by HKOwen (06 Nov 2023 12.03pm) Whilst Warren Buffet has a sound method of picking companies he has had a few failures in recent times.The rather odd joust by Heinz to buy Unilever at a mere 17% mark up was very low (42% is usual)he walked away without a second offer,the first offer is normally in order to gauge reaction.The other buy was a stake in Diageo which has not shone over the last five years and cannot be ranked as an income stock. Edited by beak (06 Nov 2023 12.41pm)
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croydon 06 Nov 23 12.40pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

Edited by HKOwen (06 Nov 2023 12.03pm)

Whilst Warren Buffet has a sound method of picking companies he has had a few failures in recent times.The rather odd joust by Heinz to buy Unilever at a mere 17% mark up was very low (42% is usual)he walked away without a second offer,the first offer is normally in order to gauge reaction.The other buy was a stake in Diageo which has not shone over the last five years and cannot be ranked as an income stock.

Edited by beak (06 Nov 2023 12.41pm)

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