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Lucretius 04 Jun 20 3.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Jun 20 3.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Lucretius
He may not have 'intended' to kill, but he acted with a contempt for human life, with a complete disregard for human life. There's not a significant moral difference here. Maybe, maybe not. I don’t think anyone really knows. After it happened I couldn’t work out what was going on in his mind to do that. Nothing that’s happened since has solved that question I have because I don’t get caught in the frenzy and excitement of the crowd.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Jun 20 3.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Clearly he didn't care as he knew there was no pulse for the last 3 minutes. I guess there is a history of the Police getting away with such things, at least in his geography. I just don’t know. I’d like to hear an honest answer from the cop. I looked at it and couldn’t believe it. It was a ‘what makes you do something like that’ incident for me. The other cops were BAME if you like which makes it even more difficult to comprehend.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Jun 20 3.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I await the deep and meaningful thoughts of Hrolf, who clearly has great expertise in this area. After that I may give you my opinion but hey, it won't be worth much in comparison. Just tell us.
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Lucretius 04 Jun 20 3.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I just don’t know. I’d like to hear an honest answer from the cop. I looked at it and couldn’t believe it. It was a ‘what makes you do something like that’ incident for me. The other cops were BAME if you like which makes it even more difficult to comprehend. Research has actually shown that BAME cops are not any less likely to engage in racially discriminatory policing than white cops. Which implies that the problem is systemic and institutional. If you cannot fathom why an individual would act in this way, don't think of that officer as an individual but the embodiment of a system.
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Spiderman Horsham 04 Jun 20 3.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
You are wholly incorrect Can you back that up with facts? We know how you like your facts or is it just your opinion innit
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BlueJay UK 04 Jun 20 3.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
I think it explains a lot when we on the Right get all angry about the murder of Lee Rigby where as the Left seek to eulogize somebody like this George Floyd. And how in terms of Lee Rigby it is wrong to apportion blame on all Muslims but in terms of George Floyd then down on their knees they go because it is all the fault of Whitey. That is the contrast people need to focus on.
As we essentially agreed on before, there is a degree of hypocrisy in all. The fact that several were entirely unbothered by violence, including against police during rioting in France, some like W12 actively cheering on riots, highlights that. It's not much different to someone supportive of current protests focusing on what they deem to be their cause while being indifferent or turning a blind eye to the violent participants. Both perspectives are unfortunate mirror images. Just as some of the more ardent BLM types clearly have entirely ludicrous and sweepingly racist takes on white people as a whole, we have people here geeing themselves up over street brawl clips, deducing from it that black people are "third world no matter where they are" and that it's in "their nature" to behave like this, when clearly the vast majority of people would never engage in such acts. The anger demonstrated left and right is two sides of the same coin and due to selective caring. I honestly believe that the parallel existences that those on both the wayward end of left and right opt into on social media has f***ed a lot of people up mentally. Like a kid in a candy shop, giving people exactly what they want rather than a balanced totality of the good, bad and the ugly realities of what they both believe and don't believe leads to very warped perspectives. Something tells me that those twitter "commentators" knowingly trotting out their intentionally easy to digest, one dimensional takes are doing much better financially from their venture than their adherents are emotionally. Edited by BlueJay (04 Jun 2020 3.46pm)
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Jun 20 3.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Lucretius
Research has actually shown that BAME cops are not any less likely to engage in racially discriminatory policing than white cops. Which implies that the problem is systemic and institutional. If you cannot fathom why an individual would act in this way, don't think of that officer as an individual but the embodiment of a system. Well yes, probably. The met had institutional racism that was addressed 20 years ago. The problem that followed was it went completely the other way. A heavy handed force turning into a limp wristed one with officers that would lose an arm wrestle with a 12 year old. That has eventually produced a lawless capital, the right to carry a knife and weed and an attack on liberties not to be able to. America is possibly at the same place the met was after Stephen Lawrence, only much much worse than the met was 20 years ago and obviously more so than any issues people think are there now in the met police today, which is why people are watching and shaking their heads at a problem 4,000 miles away.
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dannyboy1978 04 Jun 20 3.45pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Looting and rioting is inexcusable. So what's wrong with shooting them ?
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Lucretius 04 Jun 20 3.47pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Well yes, probably. The met had institutional racism that was addressed 20 years ago. The problem that followed was it went completely the other way. A heavy handed force turning into a limp wristed one with officers that would lose an arm wrestle with a 12 year old. That has eventually produced a lawless capital, the right to carry a knife and weed and an attack on liberties not to be able to. America is possibly at the same place the met was after Stephen Lawrence, only much much worse than the met was 20 years ago and obviously more so than any issues people think are there now in the met police today, which is why people are watching and shaking their heads at a problem 4,000 miles away. Amen to that.
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Stirlingsays 04 Jun 20 3.55pm | |
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The Macpherson report was and is complete and utter bulls***. As for 'institutional racism', it's a meaningless term.....It calls everybody racist because they enforce the laws. I know, let's just have a black police force that polices majority black areas and a white police force for white areas. I have little doubt what would happen....but hey, that's the only logical conclusion to this utter nonsense.
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Lucretius 04 Jun 20 4.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The Macpherson report was and is complete and utter bulls***. As for 'institutional racism', it's a meaningless term.....It calls everybody racist because they enforce the laws. I know, let's just have a black police force that polices majority black areas and a white police force for white areas. I have little doubt what would happen....but hey, that's the only logical conclusion to this utter nonsense.
How come? If there is an institution whose practices and outcomes are racially discriminatory, why not call the institution racist? Like, Oxford University is institutionally classist. Not every individual within the university is classist, but the institution itself discriminates on the basis of class. Same sort of thing?
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