chat forums can amplify general feelings of disquiet among the population. I'm not saying forums are unrepresentative, just that the dialogue tends to be more open, speculative and unrestricted.
You can see from the increased surveillance in its many forms that the population are being closely monitored.
Political policing, as with the political judiciary are areas that we can never seemingly reclaim as impartial.
Thought crime cannot be too far away.

But on a realistic level, I think the language used in media is very directed. Phrases like "the wrong type of protest", "people seeking to divide communities" should all be ringing massive alarm bells.
People voicing real concerns that our population is being attacked (physically, psychologically and verbally (in the media) and having no form of protection. The majority are being marginalised

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (02 Aug 2024 7.22am)

An effect which need not occur with self control stopping it. It’s not inevitable.

It is therefore an excuse, not a reason, unless you believe that the person involved is justified in not having any self control.

I doubt whether a court would agree,

you forgot to mention the mass Media i.e the Legacy media. Toxic in the extreme, but wearing a civilised mask. They are now re-writing history into something unrecognisable to anybody with a proper education.

Also the NGO sector which is financially enormous and semi-invisible.

Academia has also gone Woke. All other ideologies are given short shrift.

Bastions of Christianity , be it CofE or the Vatican.....all draping themselves in the rainbow flag, visiting Mosques/Synagogues, departments of feminist studies or Marxism - and often extending the hand of friendship to those who openly hate them.

Sometimes i must pinch myself to confirm i am not having a nightmare of an Orwellian dystopia. The next 5 years are going to be very rocky.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (02 Aug 2024 9.09am)

Of course it was immediate. The problem was immediate so the response was too.

To make comparisons with any other event is to second guess how the police decide their response to incidents. To describe them as “similar” is an opinion born out of ignorance and attitude. Ignorance because you aren’t the police commander carrying the responsibility to keep the peace and attitude because of what you, and many others, routinely display here.

Expecting anyone to “identify why children are being murdered at random” is indicative of that attitude. It seems there is a cohort who have already reached their conclusion on this, expect the “authorities” to take action on them and, when they don't, think that creating chaos will force a rethink.

It won’t happen. There will be no rethink and those creating the chaos will be restrained, arrested and punished.

I, and I believe the vast majority of our fellow citizens understand and support this.

This is because it is obviously ridiculous to believe there will be any single reason for why children are murdered. It’s a nonsensical concept when every case will be different. That there might be similarities between some, of mental health issues, parental disputes and jealousy or even terrorism doesn’t change that. Every crime must be treated separately.

It seems there are some who think that immigration must lie at the heart of such incidents, and this one in particular. Indeed they think immigration lies at the heart of everything they don’t like.

Wanting to reduce immigration is a perfectly legitimate political point of view and gaining control of illegal immigration is widely shared as urgently necessary, whilst very difficult.

There are legitimate ways to have these matters discussed and changes introduced if persuasive arguments succeed. It does not include rioting or causing chaos, or getting upset over policing methods.

To compare the way the police are handling their investigation into the murders on Monday with their response to the subsequent rioting is what is morally bereft. It fails to recognise that they are two completely separate matters and trying to build any linkage is what is actually evil.

Investigating any murder requires calm, patient and thorough work, leaving no stone unturned. Finding, ensuring the conviction of and removal from society of anyone involved is the priority. Making sure there are no legal mistakes which provide opportunities to a defence is essential. The police need to be left alone to do their work and not disrupted by a bunch of beered up latter day football hooligans causing chaos. Especially within the community where an atrocity has just happened.

To believe that means that the investigation into the murders is being regarded as less important than dealing with a bunch of thugs is fatuous nonsense. It’s completely untrue. They just demand different handling. One quiet and lengthy. One forcefully and immediate.

Good morning Hrolf.
You will be delighted to be informed that I will still take a peek at your rhetorical panache essaying a great well of oratory.