Not for me to interpret the meaning of the words. Just read them and reach your own conclusions.

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It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

And that oversized b1tch won't shut up at the moment.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jun 2024 8.23am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

We already know who you will be voting for Wisbech.

What that Reform guy said was common sense. It has been said many many times by famous conservative figures post war just not recently once social liberalism became censorious. Books have been written on it, counterfactuals as well. It's being portrayed as radical when it frankly isn't.

Not that I'd expect you, as someone with stated communist sympathies to view it that way.

Anyone who uses common sense and actually looks at what happened in the war instead of the narratives we were raised with....something that was somewhat painful for me to come to terms with but I have.

Before WW2 we had an empire and were doing well relatively.

The reason we declared war on Germany was because they wouldn't leave Poland.

After the war Stalin controlled Poland and did so for forty years more.

Before WW2 we had an empire.

After WW2 we quickly lost our empire....this is despite the governments, especially Tories denying that this would happen.

We lost half a million men and huge levels of infrastructure that put us in hock to the Americans with their Marshall aid post war and then permanent military bases.

America largely took the place as the lead hegemon in the world and we were heavily demoted when we were once competing prewar.

Many of the war's supporters said that we were in an existential fight with Hitler, even though he had offered to leave occupied Europe with peace terms our government censored from the public.

If you accept that defeating Hitler was existential then the post war position was actually worse as we had Stalin's Russia deeply embedded into Europe holding all eastern Europe and half of Germany with the world coming close to ending in WW3 a couple of times.

But we live in an era of narratives and leftist indoctrination.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jun 2024 9.26am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

My father had little time for Churchill and blamed him for the loss of his ship and 600:lives through sending it to Singapore without air cover. The electorate at the end of the war tended to agree with him.

That’s different though to sympathising with appeasement and praising Putin. They aren’t vote winning sentiments.

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It's quite possible that the Tory Remainer left are throwing this election and will be happy to see Labour move us back towards Europe. Such is their quasi religious obsession with the EU and their strings worked by their elite puppet masters.
The got rid of Johnson and seem to have done everything to lose.

It would be very good for this country if the Tory Right and Reform joined forces and ended this ridiculous situation.

A very large proportion of this country needs better representation. We cannot continue as we are.