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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 11 Jul 21 6.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Jacey
After recent by election,claimed Liebour were back,having narrowly scraped home by a few hundred votes.A huge liebour majority wiped out,given that vote took place days after wa#ker Hancock's indiscretions. Liebour, ha ha, with the CONservative pm having been sacked twice for telling porkies, nice one!
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Matov 11 Jul 21 6.59pm | |
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Starmer will be replaced by Rayner. She has the backing of the big Trade Unions, who hold the purse strings, and can appeal to the most Labour MP's. Burnham would be a better choice but he is not an MP and I suspect would not want to give up his current job unless an ULTRA safe Labour seat up north becomes available. But even then, I suspect he will bide his time until after the next general election which is, at least on paper, unwinnable for Labour as things stand at the moment.
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BlueJay UK 11 Jul 21 7.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Starmer will be replaced by Rayner. She has the backing of the big Trade Unions, who hold the purse strings, and can appeal to the most Labour MP's. Burnham would be a better choice but he is not an MP and I suspect would not want to give up his current job unless an ULTRA safe Labour seat up north becomes available. But even then, I suspect he will bide his time until after the next general election which is, at least on paper, unwinnable for Labour as things stand at the moment. I think a path might open up for Burnham (one way or another) but as you say, is it the right time anyway? Rayner certainly has support in the right places (not as smutty as I intended that to sound!), but I'm not sure she'd ever stand much change of winning an election. Not as though that ever stopped them before!
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HKOwen Hong Kong 12 Jul 21 7.15am | |
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I pray for Rayner, Butler or any of the Corbynista typs to lead Labour in to the next election. Russell-Moye also my approval. Any of the Socialist Campaign Group would do.
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Matov 12 Jul 21 8.41am | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
I pray for Rayner, Butler or any of the Corbynista typs to lead Labour in to the next election. Russell-Moye also my approval. Any of the Socialist Campaign Group would do.
Issue for Labour is that outside of Rayner and Burnham, then who else is there? Nandy maybe, and with at least the benefit of being a critical voice around Labours second referendum stance in 2019? For me Rayner is the only rational option purely because of her Trade Union backing. That financial muscle counts a lot at the moment and would be enough to swing it. But I suspect Starmer is not going anywhere. Scrapping through in the by-election bought him time. Question is does he now move against the Left? As things stand, Labour is at best going to tread water. Not necessarily a bad thing for the rest of this summer because of Covid and so on but come September when the 'Game' is meant to kick off again, it has to start making some serious inroads. As things stand it seems to be always on the wrong side of public opinion. Labours primary problem is its own membership. Deluded t***s, in the main. And who will keep it mired in the merde.
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BlueJay UK 12 Jul 21 2.42pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
I pray for Rayner, Butler or any of the Corbynista typs to lead Labour in to the next election. Russell-Moye also my approval. Any of the Socialist Campaign Group would do. It doesn't exactly read like a who's who of potential PMs does it. Claire Rayner would likely stand more chance and she's been dead for decade.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 12 Jul 21 3.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Issue for Labour is that outside of Rayner and Burnham, then who else is there? Nandy maybe, and with at least the benefit of being a critical voice around Labours second referendum stance in 2019? For me Rayner is the only rational option purely because of her Trade Union backing. That financial muscle counts a lot at the moment and would be enough to swing it. But I suspect Starmer is not going anywhere. Scrapping through in the by-election bought him time. Question is does he now move against the Left? As things stand, Labour is at best going to tread water. Not necessarily a bad thing for the rest of this summer because of Covid and so on but come September when the 'Game' is meant to kick off again, it has to start making some serious inroads. As things stand it seems to be always on the wrong side of public opinion. Labours primary problem is its own membership. Deluded t***s, in the main. And who will keep it mired in the merde.
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Matov 12 Jul 21 3.07pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
It doesn't exactly read like a who's who of potential PMs does it. Claire Rayner would likely stand more chance and she's been dead for decade. Blair is hovering in the wings and has been making some noises over the last few months. Personally, I suspect it is to do with something else but don't rule out a potential comeback. Or at least him championing somebody. THe current standard of Labour MP's is beyond poor and with seemingly no quality control over what they are saying or pushing. Dawn Butlers latest mauling at the hands of Dominic Rabb, hardly the sharpest tool in the box himself, is proof of that. Utterly moronic, in the main.
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Matov 12 Jul 21 3.10pm | |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Well yes. It was the Labour membership who enthusiastically pressed for the insanity of the second referendum policy. It is the Labour membership who encourage Labour to take all kinds of insane proposals that cause most people of voting age in the UK to shudder in revulsion. Labours membership is far more at odds with wider public opinion than the Conservatives. And that remains a massive problem for Labour.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 12 Jul 21 3.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Well yes. It was the Labour membership who enthusiastically pressed for the insanity of the second referendum policy. It is the Labour membership who encourage Labour to take all kinds of insane proposals that cause most people of voting age in the UK to shudder in revulsion. Labours membership is far more at odds with wider public opinion than the Conservatives. And that remains a massive problem for Labour.
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BlueJay UK 12 Jul 21 3.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Blair is hovering in the wings and has been making some noises over the last few months. Personally, I suspect it is to do with something else but don't rule out a potential comeback. Or at least him championing somebody. THe current standard of Labour MP's is beyond poor and with seemingly no quality control over what they are saying or pushing. Dawn Butlers latest mauling at the hands of Dominic Rabb, hardly the sharpest tool in the box himself, is proof of that. Utterly moronic, in the main. Will be interesting to see what part Blair plays. He can never keep out of the limelight for long and so you can bet he's always making moves behind the scenes. As you say, likely not for himself, but instead pushing someone else, with no doubt something in it for him along the way.
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Matov 12 Jul 21 3.39pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Will be interesting to see what part Blair plays. He can never keep out of the limelight for long and so you can bet he's always making moves behind the scenes. As you say, likely not for himself, but instead pushing someone else, with no doubt something in it for him along the way. Blair is giving interviews in a way that can only be seen as part of a wider strategy. His appearances are deliberately structured for a purpose that is hard to fathom but there is definitely a purpose there, beyond him just liking the limelight. With a return to a senior, and influential, role in British politics up on the list. My own opinion is more to do with global politics but is bordering on the extreme tin-foil hat wearing strata but a more realistic, and rational, explanation for his current manoeuvring, can be seen in the light of UK domestic politics.
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