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 elgrande  bedford 21 Jun 17 2.37pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Good. Funny how they can find places when put under a bit of pressure. Only another 1200 dormant properties left in the borough. They just bought them....they are new ffs.and the others BELONG to other people.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Jun 17 2.51pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
They just bought them....they are new ffs.and the others BELONG to other people. Depends on your priorities. If you've got people who need a home and empty properties, I don't think its unreasonable for the state to utilise them to house people. The needs of people outweigh things like personal ownership, and a government that cannot provide reasonable affordable access to its citizens to accommodation, food, health, water and heating is failing its citizens. I think its reasonable to say that a government that cannot provide basic existent needs of its citizens is a failed state. I think its reasonable to expect that in return for paying tax we can expect a return that fulfils or addresses existential needs. And I think its quite tragic that we've got to the point where concepts of wealth outweigh the provision of the basic needs of citizens existence.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 21 Jun 17 2.54pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Depends on your priorities. If you've got people who need a home and empty properties, I don't think its unreasonable for the state to utilise them to house people. The needs of people outweigh things like personal ownership, and a government that cannot provide reasonable affordable access to its citizens to accommodation, food, health, water and heating is failing its citizens. I think its reasonable to say that a government that cannot provide basic existent needs of its citizens is a failed state. I think its reasonable to expect that in return for paying tax we can expect a return that fulfils or addresses existential needs. And I think its quite tragic that we've got to the point where concepts of wealth outweigh the provision of the basic needs of citizens existence. The UN Declaration on Human Rights would disagree with you.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Jun 17 2.57pm |
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Originally posted by npn
How on earth would I know that? There are regulations in place - it may well be that this horrible event will lead to tightening up of some regulations (certainly cladding any building in flammable material seems crazy to me, but I'm a layman and have no relevant knowledge). This is why I find this "day of rage" farcical - what are we raging at? There are still unidentified bodies in the building, we have no knowledge of what went wrong and what the underlying cause was. It's fine to be angry (a natural reaction to death) but to call people out on the streets to be directed to be angry at who you want them to be angry at (I assume it will turn into an anti-Tory demo as these things will) is both pointless and irresponsible until more is known about what has gone on. That at least 79 people burned to death. I think its pretty reasonable to be f**king angry that effectively there is no real provision for fighting fires and rescue for tower blocks - given the length of time these buildings have existed and been populated. When you look at how that building burned, the limited capacity to fight fire or extract people from the building above a certain height. Many of those people died, for economic reasons.
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| elgrande bedford 21 Jun 17 2.58pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Depends on your priorities. If you've got people who need a home and empty properties, I don't think its unreasonable for the state to utilise them to house people. The needs of people outweigh things like personal ownership, and a government that cannot provide reasonable affordable access to its citizens to accommodation, food, health, water and heating is failing its citizens. I think its reasonable to say that a government that cannot provide basic existent needs of its citizens is a failed state. I think its reasonable to expect that in return for paying tax we can expect a return that fulfils or addresses existential needs. And I think its quite tragic that we've got to the point where concepts of wealth outweigh the provision of the basic needs of citizens existence. Well they have just bought 68 flats for a start,in a week.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Jun 17 3.05pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
The UN Declaration on Human Rights would disagree with you.
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| Shifty97 Croydon 21 Jun 17 11.42pm |
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Originally posted by npn
How on earth would I know that? There are regulations in place - it may well be that this horrible event will lead to tightening up of some regulations (certainly cladding any building in flammable material seems crazy to me, but I'm a layman and have no relevant knowledge). This is why I find this "day of rage" farcical - what are we raging at? There are still unidentified bodies in the building, we have no knowledge of what went wrong and what the underlying cause was. It's fine to be angry (a natural reaction to death) but to call people out on the streets to be directed to be angry at who you want them to be angry at (I assume it will turn into an anti-Tory demo as these things will) is both pointless and irresponsible until more is known about what has gone on. You have kind of answered your own question. People are raging at the fact that there was flammable cladding around the building and the fact that there was an inadequate fire or smoke detection system in the building. This is something that residents had previously complained about but nothing had been done. This was a horrible incident but there could have been significantly fewer deaths if these problems were addressed
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| radsyrendot From Coventry now in Leicester 22 Jun 17 4.59am |
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There's empty properties up and down the country house them away from that area if they want ..I wouldn't want to live there after what happened give them a frEsh start else where
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Jun 17 7.53am |
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Greed trumps humanity...
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 22 Jun 17 8.20am |
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Everyday is a fabricated day of rage for you isn't it.
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 22 Jun 17 8.23am |
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So these Kensington flats were already available for local authorities to buy at "social housing" prices anyway? And it's the City of London Corporation (not the LOCAL authority) that's buying them? Whilst it's unreservedly A Good Thing for the Grenfell survivors to get rehomed locally as quickly as possible, the baying headlines aren't telling the full story on these flats. Quelle surprise.
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| Nobbybm Dartford 22 Jun 17 8.33am |
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NIMBYism at it's best. Saw some of the vitriol aimed at these moaners online & much of it is warranted. From what I've seen, these 'affordable' flats were included in the development from the planning stage (as per current regs) so to bitch & whine when they are actually going to be used for their intended purpose and use money as the main driver is greed personified. Perhaps what this demonstrates is that we need more affordable/social housing developments to help level out the over-inflated housing market.
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