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Stirlingsays 06 Jun 17 10.33am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger A large reason was that it was full of foreigners who didn't care about it. Yep, that was a big reason for it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Jun 17 10.33am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A large reason was that it was full of foreigners who didn't care about it.

Yep, that was a big reason for it.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Jun 17 1.55pm
Originally posted by elgrande I think he's right,and I think the only reason ak47s aren't involved is the fact we have a body of water between us and mainland Europe. Probably very true, but its also difficult in the UK to also buy, train maintain and transport such firearms, as well as obtaining ammo for them. Europe has different gun laws plus a number of smuggling routes into France and Spain that come through Muslim countries (which also have borders with countries like Libya etc). And the significant factor there is 'train' learning how to use, maintain an assault rifle is going to be difficult, especially given the availability of ammo is probably scarce. France and Europe have a bit of trouble with black market AK rifles, which tend to find their way into Europe via the old eastern European countries and their old stockpiles. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 06 Jun 17 1.55pm

Originally posted by elgrande

I think he's right,and I think the only reason ak47s aren't involved is the fact we have a body of water between us and mainland Europe.

Probably very true, but its also difficult in the UK to also buy, train maintain and transport such firearms, as well as obtaining ammo for them. Europe has different gun laws plus a number of smuggling routes into France and Spain that come through Muslim countries (which also have borders with countries like Libya etc).

And the significant factor there is 'train' learning how to use, maintain an assault rifle is going to be difficult, especially given the availability of ammo is probably scarce.

France and Europe have a bit of trouble with black market AK rifles, which tend to find their way into Europe via the old eastern European countries and their old stockpiles.

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elgrande bedford 06 Jun 17 2.03pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Probably very true, but its also difficult in the UK to also buy, train maintain and transport such firearms, as well as obtaining ammo for them. Europe has different gun laws plus a number of smuggling routes into France and Spain that come through Muslim countries (which also have borders with countries like Libya etc). And the significant factor there is 'train' learning how to use, maintain an assault rifle is going to be difficult, especially given the availability of ammo is probably scarce. France and Europe have a bit of trouble with black market AK rifles, which tend to find their way into Europe via the old eastern European countries and their old stockpiles. Erm I think a lot of them have already had the training jamie,how many have returned from Syria... always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 06 Jun 17 2.03pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

And the significant factor there is 'train' learning how to use, maintain an assault rifle is going to be difficult, especially given the availability of ammo is probably scarce.

France and Europe have a bit of trouble with black market AK rifles, which tend to find their way into Europe via the old eastern European countries and their old stockpiles.

Erm I think a lot of them have already had the training jamie,how many have returned from Syria...

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Jun 17 2.06pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You can't understand insanity. And your first thoughts are never about the victims unless they are from somewhere else. You have endless previous for it. Yes, you can. Its typically the product of neurotransmitter imbalance in the central nervous system and brain. Schizophrenia occurs as a result of excessive dopamine, depression due to low levels of 5-HT / Serotonin. Bi-Polar. There isn't however anything insane about IS. It makes sense, in the same way Al-Qaeda makes sense - there is money, status and power in Islamist Jyhad and politics, and there always will be whilst the majority of countries that Muslims live in outside of Europe are typically brutal dictatorships in which only paramilitary oppositional politics survive. Indeed a lot of those Dictatorships / Monarchys and other tyrant types support their own factions of Islamist groups outside themselves as a means of political influence - and that's very true of countries like UAE, Saudi and Qatar - where the idea of funding Jyhadists abroad is very much about keeping the wolves from their own door. Because if your Jordan or Saud, the last thing you really want is those Islamist movements not having an enemy, because with absolute certainity, they'd be turning their attention to the middle east. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 06 Jun 17 2.06pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You can't understand insanity. And your first thoughts are never about the victims unless they are from somewhere else.
You have endless previous for it.

Yes, you can. Its typically the product of neurotransmitter imbalance in the central nervous system and brain. Schizophrenia occurs as a result of excessive dopamine, depression due to low levels of 5-HT / Serotonin. Bi-Polar.

There isn't however anything insane about IS. It makes sense, in the same way Al-Qaeda makes sense - there is money, status and power in Islamist Jyhad and politics, and there always will be whilst the majority of countries that Muslims live in outside of Europe are typically brutal dictatorships in which only paramilitary oppositional politics survive.

Indeed a lot of those Dictatorships / Monarchys and other tyrant types support their own factions of Islamist groups outside themselves as a means of political influence - and that's very true of countries like UAE, Saudi and Qatar - where the idea of funding Jyhadists abroad is very much about keeping the wolves from their own door.

Because if your Jordan or Saud, the last thing you really want is those Islamist movements not having an enemy, because with absolute certainity, they'd be turning their attention to the middle east.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Jun 17 2.11pm
Originally posted by elgrande Erm I think a lot of them have already had the training jamie,how many have returned from Syria... No idea. That probably needs to be established by the police. My guess would be none of them, or they'd probably have been able to make explosives and detonators. A rented van and some knives to me, don't really suggest a lot of experience and instruction. To me it seems more like 'DIY terrorism' cobbled off the Westminster Bridge attack. If you'd spent a year in Syria with a view to bringing the 'war back home', I'd expect them to be able to rig up a few bombs. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 06 Jun 17 2.11pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Erm I think a lot of them have already had the training jamie,how many have returned from Syria...

No idea. That probably needs to be established by the police. My guess would be none of them, or they'd probably have been able to make explosives and detonators. A rented van and some knives to me, don't really suggest a lot of experience and instruction. To me it seems more like 'DIY terrorism' cobbled off the Westminster Bridge attack.

If you'd spent a year in Syria with a view to bringing the 'war back home', I'd expect them to be able to rig up a few bombs.

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elgrande bedford 06 Jun 17 2.15pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 No idea. That probably needs to be established by the police. My guess would be none of them, or they'd probably have been able to make explosives and detonators. A rented van and some knives to me, don't really suggest a lot of experience and instruction. To me it seems more like 'DIY terrorism' cobbled off the Westminster Bridge attack. If you'd spent a year in Syria with a view to bringing the 'war back home', I'd expect them to be able to rig up a few bombs. Jamie if you have spent a year in Syria...you can bet they a) know how to make a bomb,and b) know their way around an AK47.. I want the f*ed before they get the chance,because if a couple of those c*s get their hands on a couple of automatic weapons..God help any one in the way. Don't under estimate them jamie. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 06 Jun 17 2.15pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

If you'd spent a year in Syria with a view to bringing the 'war back home', I'd expect them to be able to rig up a few bombs.

Jamie if you have spent a year in Syria...you can bet they a) know how to make a bomb,and b) know their way around an AK47..
I want the f***ed before they get the chance,because if a couple of those c***s get their hands on a couple of automatic weapons..God help any one in the way.

Don't under estimate them jamie.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Jun 17 2.18pm
Originally posted by NKEagle I don't honestly think that anybody on here is a sympathizer (with the possible exception of that vegan gent from a couple of weeks ago, from whom pretty much nothing would surprise me...). Apologist is a softer accusation, and I think that some people transform into apologists without meaning to, in their efforts to try to comprehend why somebody would do something so horrible. It's human nature to try to ascribe a rational motivation to something so horrible. And to try to identify in some way with the enemy, to make them seem less scary. I'm no psychiatrist, but I would guess that Stockholm Syndrome is based on the same emotional defense mechanism. It's a natural human reaction to fear. The truth is that we're faced with a heavily armed and fanatical cult of delusional sociopaths hell bent on inflicting as much destruction on our society as possible, under the fervent belief that an invisible man with magical powers who lives in the sky will send them to eternal paradise if they torture and murder as many of us as possible as painfully as possible. The fact that people like that exist, and have the means to infiltrate our countries is frankly terrifying. This truth makes us understandably uncomfortable. A natural reaction, which happens perhaps even subconsciously, is to convince oneself that the enemy can't possibly be as monstrous as they seem. Fortunately not. So far their weapons in the UK have been knives, cars and homemade explosives. Also I don't think they're infiltrating our country, but living among us, and I suspect that they're less fanatical than 'we'd like to believe'. I doubt their sociopathic as sociopaths don't tend to play well with others. They're just probably dumb, angry, young men who started in assorted protest groups and the like, and become increasingly radicalised over time until they decided to act on it. Or converts to Islam "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 06 Jun 17 2.18pm

Originally posted by NKEagle

I don't honestly think that anybody on here is a sympathizer (with the possible exception of that vegan gent from a couple of weeks ago, from whom pretty much nothing would surprise me...). Apologist is a softer accusation, and I think that some people transform into apologists without meaning to, in their efforts to try to comprehend why somebody would do something so horrible. It's human nature to try to ascribe a rational motivation to something so horrible. And to try to identify in some way with the enemy, to make them seem less scary. I'm no psychiatrist, but I would guess that Stockholm Syndrome is based on the same emotional defense mechanism. It's a natural human reaction to fear. The truth is that we're faced with a heavily armed and fanatical cult of delusional sociopaths hell bent on inflicting as much destruction on our society as possible, under the fervent belief that an invisible man with magical powers who lives in the sky will send them to eternal paradise if they torture and murder as many of us as possible as painfully as possible. The fact that people like that exist, and have the means to infiltrate our countries is frankly terrifying. This truth makes us understandably uncomfortable. A natural reaction, which happens perhaps even subconsciously, is to convince oneself that the enemy can't possibly be as monstrous as they seem.

Fortunately not. So far their weapons in the UK have been knives, cars and homemade explosives. Also I don't think they're infiltrating our country, but living among us, and I suspect that they're less fanatical than 'we'd like to believe'. I doubt their sociopathic as sociopaths don't tend to play well with others.

They're just probably dumb, angry, young men who started in assorted protest groups and the like, and become increasingly radicalised over time until they decided to act on it. Or converts to Islam

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Stirlingsays 06 Jun 17 2.19pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Because if your Jordan or Saud, the last thing you really want is those Islamist movements not having an enemy, because with absolute certainity, they'd be turning their attention to the middle east. IS do still attack the house of Saud. [Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Jun 17 2.19pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Because if your Jordan or Saud, the last thing you really want is those Islamist movements not having an enemy, because with absolute certainity, they'd be turning their attention to the middle east.

IS do still attack the house of Saud.

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Stirlingsays 06 Jun 17 2.20pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Fortunately not. So far their weapons in the UK have been knives, cars and homemade explosives. Also I don't think they're infiltrating our country, but living among us, and I suspect that they're less fanatical than 'we'd like to believe'. I doubt their sociopathic as sociopaths don't tend to play well with others. They're just probably dumb, angry, young men who started in assorted protest groups and the like, and become increasingly radicalised over time until they decided to act on it. Or converts to Islam I'd agree. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Jun 17 2.20pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

They're just probably dumb, angry, young men who started in assorted protest groups and the like, and become increasingly radicalised over time until they decided to act on it. Or converts to Islam

I'd agree.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Jun 17 2.20pm
Originally posted by elgrande Jamie if you have spent a year in Syria...you can bet they a) know how to make a bomb,and b) know their way around an AK47.. I want the f*ed before they get the chance,because if a couple of those cs get their hands on a couple of automatic weapons..God help any one in the way. Don't under estimate them jamie. I'm not, I'm saying they probably haven't spent time there, because they'd likely have had a much better plan and not be reliant on knives and a car. Those f*kers who are in Syria or have returned will be a much bigger problem, and need to be dealt with. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 06 Jun 17 2.20pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Don't under estimate them jamie.

I'm not, I'm saying they probably haven't spent time there, because they'd likely have had a much better plan and not be reliant on knives and a car.

Those f**kers who are in Syria or have returned will be a much bigger problem, and need to be dealt with.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Jun 17 2.23pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays IS do still attack the house of Saud. [Link] Indeed, the House of Saud was also one of Al-Qaeda's biggest hates, which is probably why so many of the 9/11 attackers came from Saudi, and so much of its resources, include Bin Laden were Saudi - Oddly Saudi exports a lot of its 'internal problems with terrorism' to other nations - making it 'someone else's problem' "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 06 Jun 17 2.23pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

IS do still attack the house of Saud.

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Indeed, the House of Saud was also one of Al-Qaeda's biggest hates, which is probably why so many of the 9/11 attackers came from Saudi, and so much of its resources, include Bin Laden were Saudi - Oddly Saudi exports a lot of its 'internal problems with terrorism' to other nations - making it 'someone else's problem'

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Stirlingsays 06 Jun 17 2.33pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Indeed, the House of Saud was also one of Al-Qaeda's biggest hates, which is probably why so many of the 9/11 attackers came from Saudi, and so much of its resources, include Bin Laden were Saudi - Oddly Saudi exports a lot of its 'internal problems with terrorism' to other nations - making it 'someone else's problem' Regimes that repress their own people inevitably create extremist responses to it. Using religion as a form of rallying cry is far easier in that instance. As for the regime itself I think....though I don't really know....I think they use their exporting of their form of religion as a buffer against their opponents. How much the leaders in Saud actually activitely support violence in the west should hopefully be revealed soon via that report. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2017 2.36pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Jun 17 2.33pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Regimes that repress their own people inevitably create extremist responses to it. Using religion as a form of rallying cry is far easier in that instance.

As for the regime itself I think....though I don't really know....I think they use their exporting of their form of religion as a buffer against their opponents.

How much the leaders in Saud actually activitely support violence in the west should hopefully be revealed soon via that report.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2017 2.36pm)

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