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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 23 8.55pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
So she was arrested because of who she is then? She was found not guilty by the magistrate because she was not guilty, loopholes don't come into it. How about arresting some of the anti-semite muslims that protest aggressively and intimidate every week. No. She was arrested for being where she was. She could be who she is, and have done what she did, without any consequences at all, other than somewhere covered by an exclusion order. The police dropped the charges on both occasions. She decided to proceed with the first to ensure the propaganda opportunity wasn’t missed and the magistrates threw it out. What their reasoning was I don’t know but they knew the police wanted to drop it so I would not be surprised if they didn’t want any more time wasted. Anybody at all. Muslim, Christian or non- believer protesting using anti-Semitic language or any other kind of hate speech risks being arrested, wherever they do it. Do anything in an exclusion area and they would be. As Yaxley-Lennon recently discovered.
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georgenorman 13 Dec 23 9.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No. She was arrested for being where she was. She could be who she is, and have done what she did, without any consequences at all, other than somewhere covered by an exclusion order. The police dropped the charges on both occasions. She decided to proceed with the first to ensure the propaganda opportunity wasn’t missed and the magistrates threw it out. What their reasoning was I don’t know but they knew the police wanted to drop it so I would not be surprised if they didn’t want any more time wasted. Anybody at all. Muslim, Christian or non- believer protesting using anti-Semitic language or any other kind of hate speech risks being arrested, wherever they do it. Do anything in an exclusion area and they would be. As Yaxley-Lennon recently discovered. She was not banned from being in the area, she was banned from protesting in the area. She was stood still and, perhaps, silently praying. The courts agreed that she was not guilty the first time this occurred, yet they persisted in arresting her again. Victimisation, pure and simple. The Robinson case is similar.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 23 10.11pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
She was not banned from being in the area, she was banned from protesting in the area. She was stood still and, perhaps, silently praying. The courts agreed that she was not guilty the first time this occurred, yet they persisted in arresting her again. Victimisation, pure and simple. The Robinson case is similar. I am trying very hard not to be rude but faced with this degree of obduracy it’s very difficult. She wasn’t banned. She was arrested for ignoring an order. Maybe you cannot see the difference. Yaxley-Lennon also struggles with this kind of concept. Everyone, you, me, this lady, Y-L, the Pope and Uncle Tom Cobley are subjected to exactly the same restrictions. Not all though would be suspected of breaking the order if they were there. If they stood still for a while, head bowed and being videoed then suspicions would be raised. If enquiries revealed that the person was a known activist they would be asked to comply, and leave. She was, refused and was arrested. She wasn’t banned from protesting in the area. Everyone is. Almost everyone complies. Those who don’t get arrested. If she does it again she will be arrested again, charged for the record and the case dropped. The police have achieved their objective in getting her off the street. They have no interest in fines etc, although that might change if she persists. The best outcome would be for the ADF to be banned from the UK on the grounds that they are deliberately causing distress and wasting police time.
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georgenorman 13 Dec 23 10.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am trying very hard not to be rude but faced with this degree of obduracy it’s very difficult. She wasn’t banned. She was arrested for ignoring an order. Maybe you cannot see the difference. Yaxley-Lennon also struggles with this kind of concept. Everyone, you, me, this lady, Y-L, the Pope and Uncle Tom Cobley are subjected to exactly the same restrictions. Not all though would be suspected of breaking the order if they were there. If they stood still for a while, head bowed and being videoed then suspicions would be raised. If enquiries revealed that the person was a known activist they would be asked to comply, and leave. She was, refused and was arrested. She wasn’t banned from protesting in the area. Everyone is. Almost everyone complies. Those who don’t get arrested. If she does it again she will be arrested again, charged for the record and the case dropped. The police have achieved their objective in getting her off the street. They have no interest in fines etc, although that might change if she persists. The best outcome would be for the ADF to be banned from the UK on the grounds that they are deliberately causing distress and wasting police time. She was not banned from being in the area, she was banned from protesting in the area. She was stood still and, perhaps, silently praying, not 'protesting' in any measurable or discernible way. The courts agreed that she was not guilty the first time this occurred, yet they persisted in arresting her again. Victimisation, pure and simple. The Robinson case is similar. How would you feel if you were charged as a landlord with just thinking about not having your gas appliances serviced rather than actually not servicing them? Edited by georgenorman (13 Dec 2023 10.30pm)
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georgenorman 14 Dec 23 7.10am | |
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The US House of Representatives has voted to approve an impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden for corruption in his family members' business dealings. They accuse the president and his relatives of improperly profiting during his tenure as vice-president under Barack Obama.
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Badger11 Beckenham 14 Dec 23 7.47am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The US House of Representatives has voted to approve an impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden for corruption in his family members' business dealings. They accuse the president and his relatives of improperly profiting during his tenure as vice-president under Barack Obama. If Democrats are unhappy with this and looking for inspiration I should they cope and paste comments made by the Republicans when Trump was indicted, pretty much applies.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 23 8.23am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
She was not banned from being in the area, she was banned from protesting in the area. She was stood still and, perhaps, silently praying, not 'protesting' in any measurable or discernible way. The courts agreed that she was not guilty the first time this occurred, yet they persisted in arresting her again. Victimisation, pure and simple. The Robinson case is similar. How would you feel if you were charged as a landlord with just thinking about not having your gas appliances serviced rather than actually not servicing them? Edited by georgenorman (13 Dec 2023 10.30pm) Simply repeating what has already been answered and patiently explained as incorrect is nonsensical. How anyone feels about being charged is completely irrelevant. They can avoid any feelings at all by complying with the law.
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steeleye20 Croydon 14 Dec 23 8.27am | |
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'There is only one thing worse than being impeached, and that is not being impeached'. It's like a badge of recognition.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 23 8.42am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
If Democrats are unhappy with this and looking for inspiration I should they cope and paste comments made by the Republicans when Trump was indicted, pretty much applies. If people are unable to determine what’s going on here then I pity them. The Republicans are desperately trying to establish equivalence between Trump and Biden. They want voters to think, yes Trump has committed wrongs but so has Biden, so what’s the difference. It’s all part of the character assassination campaign they have been waging for months. They want to interview Hunter privately. He wants it done publicly. Why? They both know there is nothing to be seen but if it is kept private they can pretend there is. It’s no different with this silly attempt to initiate impeachment. It’s just political opportunism, without any discernible wrongdoing being found to date. If there is, fine. Let it proceed. Trump was impeached. Twice. He survived only because of the need for a 2/3rds majority in the Senate. Comparing Biden with Trump in the area of corrupt behaviour is like comparing Dr Martin Luther King with Al Capone. Look hard enough at anyone and you might find something in their past worthy of criticism, especially if they are a politician. Look at anyone who is a mob boss and you don’t even have to open your eyes.
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Badger11 Beckenham 14 Dec 23 9.02am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If people are unable to determine what’s going on here then I pity them. The Republicans are desperately trying to establish equivalence between Trump and Biden. They want voters to think, yes Trump has committed wrongs but so has Biden, so what’s the difference. It’s all part of the character assassination campaign they have been waging for months. They want to interview Hunter privately. He wants it done publicly. Why? They both know there is nothing to be seen but if it is kept private they can pretend there is. It’s no different with this silly attempt to initiate impeachment. It’s just political opportunism, without any discernible wrongdoing being found to date. If there is, fine. Let it proceed. Trump was impeached. Twice. He survived only because of the need for a 2/3rds majority in the Senate. Comparing Biden with Trump in the area of corrupt behaviour is like comparing Dr Martin Luther King with Al Capone. Look hard enough at anyone and you might find something in their past worthy of criticism, especially if they are a politician. Look at anyone who is a mob boss and you don’t even have to open your eyes. As I said when Trump was impeached, Impeachment is a political process not a legal process. The Republicans are doing to Biden what the Democrats tried to do to Trump. They are on a fishing expedition to see if they can dig up dirt on him. It's a shame but I think impeachment is now going to become a regular part of the political process. The only person who ever actually warranted it was Nixon, all others were just character assassinations. Still you never know what will fall out with Biden.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 23 4.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
As I said when Trump was impeached, Impeachment is a political process not a legal process. The Republicans are doing to Biden what the Democrats tried to do to Trump. They are on a fishing expedition to see if they can dig up dirt on him. It's a shame but I think impeachment is now going to become a regular part of the political process. The only person who ever actually warranted it was Nixon, all others were just character assassinations. Still you never know what will fall out with Biden.
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georgenorman 14 Dec 23 5.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Simply repeating what has already been answered and patiently explained as incorrect is nonsensical. How anyone feels about being charged is completely irrelevant. They can avoid any feelings at all by complying with the law. You repeat yourself all the time! How would you feel if you were charged, as a landlord, with just thinking about not having your gas appliances serviced rather than actually not servicing them?
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