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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Dec 16 4.57am | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Me personally? Not much I can do on my own. I have an inbuilt mistrust of any politician of any hue. Voting only encourages them. A plague on all their houses. Inherent distrust, or sensible defence mechanism. I wouldn't trust career politician to tell me the time.
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 08 Dec 16 9.56am | |
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Originally posted by tome
You don't think that believing that leaving will bugger up the economy, reduce environmental protection, isolate the UK geopolitically, while costing the country a fortune is a reasonable reason to seek scrutiny and check whether Brexit makes sense? You sir are a pompous ass. It doesn't matter whether it makes sense or not. It's what the people voted for. You pick and choose when democracy works and when it doesn't just because the general voting public do not hold your beliefs. But then hypocrisy and hissy fits do seem to be the premise of the remain camp.
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OknotOK Cockfosters, London 08 Dec 16 12.45pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyh
You sir are a pompous ass. It doesn't matter whether it makes sense or not. It's what the people voted for. You pick and choose when democracy works and when it doesn't just because the general voting public do not hold your beliefs. But then hypocrisy and hissy fits do seem to be the premise of the remain camp. Bearing in mind Farage was openly stating that a 52-48 defeat for Brexit would be conditions for which he would demand another referendum, I think it's fair to say it is hypocrisy of the highest order to suggest it is unique to the Remain camp.
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OknotOK Cockfosters, London 08 Dec 16 12.51pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Doesn't that just reinforce the message that Labour is no longer the party of the working class? The post is about the opportunities in Labour heartlands that UKIP can exploit. But fails to point out that the significant majority of Labour voters (under this survey) were Remainers, so would be unlikely to look to UKIP. I also don't know how statistically accurate the poll can be seen to be. The split by ethnicity shows that only those who identify as White voted for Brexit (by a margin of 51:49). Every other ethnic group in the survey voted for Remain, and mostly by a large majority. But the overall referendum result was a 52:48 split so there must be a statistical variance that would be big enough to call the data into question anyway. And if the only issue that mattered to people was Brexit then it would suggest Corbyn (although he eventually supported Remain) was a truer reflection of the working class voters Labour are meant to represent. On the logic that views on Brexit are all that drives people's voting habits, then JC deserves recognition for bringing Labour closer to its roots? Surely deciding the relevance of a political party based upon a single issue isn't valid. Edited by OknotOK (08 Dec 2016 12.52pm)
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Stuk Top half 08 Dec 16 2.49pm | |
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McDonalds is moving it non-US tax base from Luxembourg to the UK.
Optimistic as ever |
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chris123 hove actually 08 Dec 16 4.15pm | |
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Flippin' 'eck!
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Dec 16 4.16pm | |
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Turns out last nights commons vote on the roadmap to Brexit isn't binding as it was an opposition motion...
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Stuk Top half 08 Dec 16 4.17pm | |
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Originally posted by chris123
Flippin' 'eck! Better than flipping burgers!
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chris123 hove actually 08 Dec 16 4.26pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Turns out last nights commons vote on the roadmap to Brexit isn't binding as it was an opposition motion... The Supreme Court told it is highly significant, albeit not legally binding.
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tome Inner Tantalus Time. 08 Dec 16 7.55pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyh
You sir are a pompous ass. It doesn't matter whether it makes sense or not. It's what the people voted for. You pick and choose when democracy works and when it doesn't just because the general voting public do not hold your beliefs. But then hypocrisy and hissy fits do seem to be the premise of the remain camp. So do you think everything the government does should be subject to a referendum? If not, why make a hugely complex area subject to such a vote and not all the minor issues? Anyway, my point was that in a democracy you evolve decisions based on public scrutiny. So I objected to Holf's assertion that this was a bad idea. AFter all, if it was a bad idea why have the referendum in the first place? You can try and draw battles lines all you like, but I think it's not that simple and you can't just go around characterising everyone who disagrees with you as some sort of limp-wristed whinger, there's no need to be a be a fatuous f*ck.
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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Dec 16 9.53pm | |
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Originally posted by tome
What do you mean? I think it's a bit of a slander to suggest that the ONLY possible motive for wanting a vote, wanting scrutiny, or even wanting a referendum/election on terms is political skullduggery. You don't seem to allow for people to regard the future as brighter in the EU. Surely the number one priority is creating the conditions for the UK to be in the best position it can? And what those conditions are is the main bone of contention. And as I suggested, it depends to a large degree on your priorities.
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nhp61 Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 08 Dec 16 10.56pm | |
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Originally posted by tome
What do you mean? I think it's a bit of a slander to suggest that the ONLY possible motive for wanting a vote, wanting scrutiny, or even wanting a referendum/election on terms is political skullduggery. You don't seem to allow for people to regard the future as brighter in the EU. Surely the number one priority is creating the conditions for the UK to be in the best position it can? Why should we have to allow for people to think the future is brighter in the EU? We shouldn't have to, we voted to leave.
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