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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 04 Jun 20 10.13am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

The problem with this virtue signalling or compassionate, empathy showing police force is that for some it produces a positive result. For others...

We see this with no stop and search and not chasing muggers on scooters without helmets on. They got a shock when the law changed and the police could ram them on a scooter. In fact the shortage of police or the penal system is a problem in general.

Most of the people causing trouble yesterday weren’t parents or getting on with their lives. When you get on with your life you look at this stuff and see it as pointless unless systemic racism is debated by grown ups and not screaming hysterical youngsters.

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Matov Flag 04 Jun 20 10.16am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Someone please just say something, this is the tail wagging the dog.


In an odd sort of way, there is almost a relief to seeing this entire 'taking the knee' narrative take shape. Because ultimately this is what Identity Politics manifests itself as. Taken me a long old road to arrive here but essentially the subjugation of white people is the ultimate aim of it.

A heartfelt desire to bring about the collapse of Western Civilisation in its present form. Cultural Marxism writ large. This is how the Frankfurt school sees the battle of the coming century.

And non-whites are not the actual issue. Suspect the overwhelming majority probably want the same things that the rest of us do. But any revolutionary movement needs its street fighters and that is why the Left must be pinching themselves with glee right now. Merely useful idiots for the Leftists who are real enemy and will eventually be taken down when they no longer suit their purpose. Even saw segments of that this time around with the likes of CNN changing their tune big time once their own building came under attack.

Already seen the sort of posturing idiots who fell over themselves to out do each other in these mass 'claps for the NHS' are already putting up posts on Social Media proclaiming how they will be doing this. And expect hundres of thousands of others to take to this with real joy. That buzz from virtue signalling is as addictive as crack.

Essentially virtue signalling taken to another level. And a dangerous one because it will become the standard by which whites are judged. Are they the type of white who will bend the knee or are they racists? Because only racists would not be willing to accept collective guilt for the terrible ills of slavery and police brutality. Already seen Labour politicians going down faster than the Hindenburg and it is going to accelerate. Only a matter of time before it becomes compulsory in any public service sector and the big corporations. The likes of Dan H might even make it part of the interview process because it is a bloody good way of finding out what kind of white person you are dealing with. Although that works both ways and if anybody of my acquaintance does this voluntarily (and there will be forced incidences of this now occurring) does this then I will be seriously questioning my friendship with them.

Taking a leap in the dark with this next bit about what comes next. I expect it will be a Socially Liberal form of 'Jizya'. The term is the name for the additional taxation that can be levied on Christians and Jews who live in Muslim controlled lands. Essentially White people, and probably those who will not take the knee because this is how we will be divided, made to pay an extra form of taxation. Probably by way of funding reparations and so on although it might be worded differently.

We already have the legal system imposing effectively dual layers of both expectation and punishment based on skin colour with all the 'hate crime' legislation along with additional tweaking in a variety of ways. I did even hear about a proposal in the US to make calling the police to report a non-white person and it then not leading to an arrest also a crime. And whilst that might sound insane, I suspect it will be an avenue to be explored. Certainly, the threat of it alone might be given a lot of volume, with a social stigma placed on the notion of reporting any crime linked to a POC. You already have seen claims that women sexually assaulted have been 'encouraged' by left wing groups to essentially lay back and think of Coca-cola adverts. And accepted a whole lot more of the same. Perhaps it is a slightly outdated term, and you might be able to question the historical comparison, but it will be a form of 'Ottomanisation', which I am not even sure is a valid term but the best way I can articulate it at the moment.

I know many on certain strands of the Right make a lot of noise about the 'Great Replacement' theory but I suspect we are seeing something far more nuanced. It is about subjugation and only of a certain sector of the white population because the other ones, the knee-takers, despite all their protestations, still expect to be running this show. They need that endorphin rush to continue.


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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 04 Jun 20 10.20am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The problem with this virtue signalling or compassionate, empathy showing police force is that for some it produces a positive result. For others...

We see this with no stop and search and not chasing muggers on scooters without helmets on. They got a shock when the law changed and the police could ram them on a scooter. In fact the shortage of police or the penal system is a problem in general.

Most of the people causing trouble yesterday weren’t parents or getting on with their lives. When you get on with your life you look at this stuff and see it as pointless unless systemic racism is debated by grown ups and not screaming hysterical youngsters.


I find the problem with the police taking a knee is that it comes across as an admission of guilt.

What a policeman did in the US has nothing to do with our officers here.

Quite unbelievable

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 04 Jun 20 10.24am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle


I find the problem with the police taking a knee is that it comes across as an admission of guilt.

What a policeman did in the US has nothing to do with our officers here.

Quite unbelievable

Agreed. I don’t expect anyone to kneel to me so I’m not going to for anyone else. Demanding is just insane.

 


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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 04 Jun 20 10.28am Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by Matov


In an odd sort of way, there is almost a relief to seeing this entire 'taking the knee' narrative take shape. Because ultimately this is what Identity Politics manifests itself as. Taken me a long old road to arrive here but essentially the subjugation of white people is the ultimate aim of it.

A heartfelt desire to bring about the collapse of Western Civilisation in its present form. Cultural Marxism writ large. This is how the Frankfurt school sees the battle of the coming century.

And non-whites are not the actual issue. Suspect the overwhelming majority probably want the same things that the rest of us do. But any revolutionary movement needs its street fighters and that is why the Left must be pinching themselves with glee right now. Merely useful idiots for the Leftists who are real enemy and will eventually be taken down when they no longer suit their purpose. Even saw segments of that this time around with the likes of CNN changing their tune big time once their own building came under attack.

Already seen the sort of posturing idiots who fell over themselves to out do each other in these mass 'claps for the NHS' are already putting up posts on Social Media proclaiming how they will be doing this. And expect hundres of thousands of others to take to this with real joy. That buzz from virtue signalling is as addictive as crack.

Essentially virtue signalling taken to another level. And a dangerous one because it will become the standard by which whites are judged. Are they the type of white who will bend the knee or are they racists? Because only racists would not be willing to accept collective guilt for the terrible ills of slavery and police brutality. Already seen Labour politicians going down faster than the Hindenburg and it is going to accelerate. Only a matter of time before it becomes compulsory in any public service sector and the big corporations. The likes of Dan H might even make it part of the interview process because it is a bloody good way of finding out what kind of white person you are dealing with. Although that works both ways and if anybody of my acquaintance does this voluntarily (and there will be forced incidences of this now occurring) does this then I will be seriously questioning my friendship with them.

Taking a leap in the dark with this next bit about what comes next. I expect it will be a Socially Liberal form of 'Jizya'. The term is the name for the additional taxation that can be levied on Christians and Jews who live in Muslim controlled lands. Essentially White people, and probably those who will not take the knee because this is how we will be divided, made to pay an extra form of taxation. Probably by way of funding reparations and so on although it might be worded differently.

We already have the legal system imposing effectively dual layers of both expectation and punishment based on skin colour with all the 'hate crime' legislation along with additional tweaking in a variety of ways. I did even hear about a proposal in the US to make calling the police to report a non-white person and it then not leading to an arrest also a crime. And whilst that might sound insane, I suspect it will be an avenue to be explored. Certainly, the threat of it alone might be given a lot of volume, with a social stigma placed on the notion of reporting any crime linked to a POC. You already have seen claims that women sexually assaulted have been 'encouraged' by left wing groups to essentially lay back and think of Coca-cola adverts. And accepted a whole lot more of the same. Perhaps it is a slightly outdated term, and you might be able to question the historical comparison, but it will be a form of 'Ottomanisation', which I am not even sure is a valid term but the best way I can articulate it at the moment.

I know many on certain strands of the Right make a lot of noise about the 'Great Replacement' theory but I suspect we are seeing something far more nuanced. It is about subjugation and only of a certain sector of the white population because the other ones, the knee-takers, despite all their protestations, still expect to be running this show. They need that endorphin rush to continue.


Edited by Matov (04 Jun 2020 10.18am)

Edited by Matov (04 Jun 2020 10.19am)

Your use of the term 'subjugation' is really quite a staggering leap of logic. Slavery is subjugation. Being locked up for no reason is subjugation. Being racially abused in your workplace or on the streets, that's subjugation.

Being offended when people take a knee as a political statement isn't subjugation. It's called paranoia.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 04 Jun 20 10.31am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

The sickness of the 'woke' left.

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Matov Flag 04 Jun 20 10.35am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

Your use of the term 'subjugation' is really quite a staggering leap of logic. Slavery is subjugation. Being locked up for no reason is subjugation. Being racially abused in your workplace or on the streets, that's subjugation.

Being offended when people take a knee as a political statement isn't subjugation. It's called paranoia.

Slavery is always justified by a sense of collective guilt. People taken in war for example. Deemed to be lesser than because they were on the wrong side.

Or in the case of the slavery experienced in the Western World, then on the basis of 'lesser than' human.

The sense of collective guilt at the very heart of it all. And white people kneeling in this manner is the modern expression of that.

Now in terms of an individual making the choice to do so then best of British to them. But this is going to be turned around. Made into a way of defining the kind of Whiteness you identify with.

Out of interest are your knees dirty yet?

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 04 Jun 20 10.35am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

I thought yesterday that what this could ultimately lead to is more positive discrimination and mammoth higher taxes (maybe for white people way off in the future. Or not that far ahead). There’s still enough same people around to reject the taxes idea I think. No problem with opportunities on merit. Not sure how you break glass ceilings though.

In blue collar jobs in local businesses, I don’t think the black street culture has helped them at all, and that goes for white kids jumping in on the culture and chatting accents as well. A lot of people just can’t connect with people that say ‘’Safe, safe, oh my daze’’ over and over again.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 04 Jun 20 10.35am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Matov


In an odd sort of way, there is almost a relief to seeing this entire 'taking the knee' narrative take shape. Because ultimately this is what Identity Politics manifests itself as. Taken me a long old road to arrive here but essentially the subjugation of white people is the ultimate aim of it.

A heartfelt desire to bring about the collapse of Western Civilisation in its present form. Cultural Marxism writ large. This is how the Frankfurt school sees the battle of the coming century.

And non-whites are not the actual issue. Suspect the overwhelming majority probably want the same things that the rest of us do. But any revolutionary movement needs its street fighters and that is why the Left must be pinching themselves with glee right now. Merely useful idiots for the Leftists who are real enemy and will eventually be taken down when they no longer suit their purpose. Even saw segments of that this time around with the likes of CNN changing their tune big time once their own building came under attack.

Already seen the sort of posturing idiots who fell over themselves to out do each other in these mass 'claps for the NHS' are already putting up posts on Social Media proclaiming how they will be doing this. And expect hundres of thousands of others to take to this with real joy. That buzz from virtue signalling is as addictive as crack.

Essentially virtue signalling taken to another level. And a dangerous one because it will become the standard by which whites are judged. Are they the type of white who will bend the knee or are they racists? Because only racists would not be willing to accept collective guilt for the terrible ills of slavery and police brutality. Already seen Labour politicians going down faster than the Hindenburg and it is going to accelerate. Only a matter of time before it becomes compulsory in any public service sector and the big corporations. The likes of Dan H might even make it part of the interview process because it is a bloody good way of finding out what kind of white person you are dealing with. Although that works both ways and if anybody of my acquaintance does this voluntarily (and there will be forced incidences of this now occurring) does this then I will be seriously questioning my friendship with them.

Taking a leap in the dark with this next bit about what comes next. I expect it will be a Socially Liberal form of 'Jizya'. The term is the name for the additional taxation that can be levied on Christians and Jews who live in Muslim controlled lands. Essentially White people, and probably those who will not take the knee because this is how we will be divided, made to pay an extra form of taxation. Probably by way of funding reparations and so on although it might be worded differently.

We already have the legal system imposing effectively dual layers of both expectation and punishment based on skin colour with all the 'hate crime' legislation along with additional tweaking in a variety of ways. I did even hear about a proposal in the US to make calling the police to report a non-white person and it then not leading to an arrest also a crime. And whilst that might sound insane, I suspect it will be an avenue to be explored. Certainly, the threat of it alone might be given a lot of volume, with a social stigma placed on the notion of reporting any crime linked to a POC. You already have seen claims that women sexually assaulted have been 'encouraged' by left wing groups to essentially lay back and think of Coca-cola adverts. And accepted a whole lot more of the same. Perhaps it is a slightly outdated term, and you might be able to question the historical comparison, but it will be a form of 'Ottomanisation', which I am not even sure is a valid term but the best way I can articulate it at the moment.

I know many on certain strands of the Right make a lot of noise about the 'Great Replacement' theory but I suspect we are seeing something far more nuanced. It is about subjugation and only of a certain sector of the white population because the other ones, the knee-takers, despite all their protestations, still expect to be running this show. They need that endorphin rush to continue.


Edited by Matov (04 Jun 2020 10.18am)

Edited by Matov (04 Jun 2020 10.19am)

A good and interesting post.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 04 Jun 20 10.36am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Millwall fans are happy to take the knee and your legs and your arms etc..

 


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Matov Flag 04 Jun 20 10.47am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I thought yesterday that what this could ultimately lead to is more positive discrimination and mammoth higher taxes (maybe for white people way off in the future. Or not that far ahead). There’s still enough same people around to reject the taxes idea I think. No problem with opportunities on merit. Not sure how you break glass ceilings though.

In blue collar jobs in local businesses, I don’t think the black street culture has helped them at all, and that goes for white kids jumping in on the culture and chatting accents as well. A lot of people just can’t connect with people that say ‘’Safe, safe, oh my daze’’ over and over again.

As far as I understand the Soc.libs are not actually about helping POC. It serves their purposes to have them poor and feeling hard-done by. They need them to fight the revolution for them on the streets. That is why you see no condemnation of the lack of social distancing and so on. One news report yesterday lingered on two girls greeting then hugging each other. And no a single comment about social distancing.

If anything the Left want to magnify their discontent. That is why you only see ludicrous programmes encouraging poor black kids to become Rappers or Barristers. Rather then Electricians or Plumbers. The last thing the Left want are for the poor kids from Estates to have a chance of social mobility. After all what good is a black person with a mortgage to them?

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 04 Jun 20 10.52am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I thought yesterday that what this could ultimately lead to is more positive discrimination and mammoth higher taxes (maybe for white people way off in the future. Or not that far ahead). There’s still enough same people around to reject the taxes idea I think. No problem with opportunities on merit. Not sure how you break glass ceilings though.

In blue collar jobs in local businesses, I don’t think the black street culture has helped them at all, and that goes for white kids jumping in on the culture and chatting accents as well. A lot of people just can’t connect with people that say ‘’Safe, safe, oh my daze’’ over and over again.

My own view is that it'll just accelerate the same behaviours that we have seen over decades.

White flight will quicken from city areas but the increase in minority numbers will slowly follow them.

Pay for the privilege of bending your knee.

 


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