Sorry but who is 'us,'?

I am a (quite senior) member of the civil service and don't hate anyone that is far too stronger a word. Ok there are folk I don't like but such is life.

Us iis to me pandering to the easy rhetoric much loved by the last government where you are either with us or against us. Life is never so binary. Sounds like the concept of 'tne blob,' an Uber powerful civil service who could bring down the Truss government in a matter of days when they were all so competent.

The civil service is a group of folks ultimately doing a job. A job which is to serve the government of the day whatever party is in power.

To me the politics of us and them.will always seek to divide but may that is your purpose.

Edited by orpingtoneagle (02 Aug 2024 8.21am)

So it's OK for you to speculate.

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I am concerned that our liberties, free speech and movement are being eroded by a disproportionate response to unrest, in the form of additional laws and policing powers, including the use of IT for monitoring.
We are sleep-walking straight into 1984

I disengage, I turn the page.

Of course it was immediate. The problem was immediate so the response was too.

To make comparisons with any other event is to second guess how the police decide their response to incidents. To describe them as “similar” is an opinion born out of ignorance and attitude. Ignorance because you aren’t the police commander carrying the responsibility to keep the peace and attitude because of what you, and many others, routinely display here.

Expecting anyone to “identify why children are being murdered at random” is indicative of that attitude. It seems there is a cohort who have already reached their conclusion on this, expect the “authorities” to take action on them and, when they don't, think that creating chaos will force a rethink.

It won’t happen. There will be no rethink and those creating the chaos will be restrained, arrested and punished.

I, and I believe the vast majority of our fellow citizens understand and support this.

This is because it is obviously ridiculous to believe there will be any single reason for why children are murdered. It’s a nonsensical concept when every case will be different. That there might be similarities between some, of mental health issues, parental disputes and jealousy or even terrorism doesn’t change that. Every crime must be treated separately.

It seems there are some who think that immigration must lie at the heart of such incidents, and this one in particular. Indeed they think immigration lies at the heart of everything they don’t like.

Wanting to reduce immigration is a perfectly legitimate political point of view and gaining control of illegal immigration is widely shared as urgently necessary, whilst very difficult.

There are legitimate ways to have these matters discussed and changes introduced if persuasive arguments succeed. It does not include rioting or causing chaos, or getting upset over policing methods.

To compare the way the police are handling their investigation into the murders on Monday with their response to the subsequent rioting is what is morally bereft. It fails to recognise that they are two completely separate matters and trying to build any linkage is what is actually evil.

Investigating any murder requires calm, patient and thorough work, leaving no stone unturned. Finding, ensuring the conviction of and removal from society of anyone involved is the priority. Making sure there are no legal mistakes which provide opportunities to a defence is essential. The police need to be left alone to do their work and not disrupted by a bunch of beered up latter day football hooligans causing chaos. Especially within the community where an atrocity has just happened.

To believe that means that the investigation into the murders is being regarded as less important than dealing with a bunch of thugs is fatuous nonsense. It’s completely untrue. They just demand different handling. One quiet and lengthy. One forcefully and immediate.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Talk about an open goal.

It's so obvious I can't bring myself to kick the ball into the net.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

If Priti Patel was home secretary would her reaction to rioting be any different? I doubt she would be on the street cheering them on why they smash the place up. In fact, she would probably send the army in.

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