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Hoof Hearted 02 Dec 16 1.02pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Which could be a major concern when you move from the idea of a referendum to a constitutional system. I think its likely that a lot of Conservative remain voters would vote Lib Dem. I still think in most Labour heartlands, very few Labour votes will vote conservative, even if its a Exit strong area. Maybe UKIP, but that won't help the Tories as much as Lib Dems hovering up remaininers in the South East. You're reacting to a false dawn jamie. THe Libdems are like a drunken girl at a party trying to get off with anyone and everyone. Richmond Park was a Remainers stronghold and the LibDems exploited it, with the only serious contender to spoil their party was a Brexiteer who had just lost the Mayoral election. Come back to me with your theories when a decent straightforward by election has been contested.
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Hoof Hearted 02 Dec 16 1.02pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Which could be a major concern when you move from the idea of a referendum to a constitutional system. I think its likely that a lot of Conservative remain voters would vote Lib Dem.

I still think in most Labour heartlands, very few Labour votes will vote conservative, even if its a Exit strong area. Maybe UKIP, but that won't help the Tories as much as Lib Dems hovering up remaininers in the South East.

You're reacting to a false dawn jamie.

THe Libdems are like a drunken girl at a party trying to get off with anyone and everyone.

Richmond Park was a Remainers stronghold and the LibDems exploited it, with the only serious contender to spoil their party was a Brexiteer who had just lost the Mayoral election.

Come back to me with your theories when a decent straightforward by election has been contested.

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steeleye20 Croydon 02 Dec 16 2.29pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted You're reacting to a false dawn jamie. THe Libdems are like a drunken girl at a party trying to get off with anyone and everyone. Richmond Park was a Remainers stronghold and the LibDems exploited it, with the only serious contender to spoil their party was a Brexiteer who had just lost the Mayoral election. Come back to me with your theories when a decent straightforward by election has been contested. So the Libdems are restoring inappropriate touching? Of course that will secure my vote
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Croydon 02 Dec 16 2.29pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

You're reacting to a false dawn jamie.

THe Libdems are like a drunken girl at a party trying to get off with anyone and everyone.

Richmond Park was a Remainers stronghold and the LibDems exploited it, with the only serious contender to spoil their party was a Brexiteer who had just lost the Mayoral election.

Come back to me with your theories when a decent straightforward by election has been contested.

So the Libdems are restoring inappropriate touching?
Of course that will secure my vote

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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 02 Dec 16 5.19pm
So how I read it is that come the next General Election, all of the North and Wales will become a Tory stronghold because they want to leave, while the true blue dyed in the wool Tory South will turn to the Lib Dems and the Green Party because they want to remain. Corbyn may hold Islington. Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 02 Dec 16 5.19pm

So how I read it is that come the next General Election, all of the North and Wales will become a Tory stronghold because they want to leave, while the true blue dyed in the wool Tory South will turn to the Lib Dems and the Green Party because they want to remain.

Corbyn may hold Islington.

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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matt_himself Matataland 02 Dec 16 5.24pm
Originally posted by mezzer So how I read it is that come the next General Election, all of the North and Wales will become a Tory stronghold because they want to leave, while the true blue dyed in the wool Tory South will turn to the Lib Dems and the Green Party because they want to remain. Corbyn may hold Islington. The really funny things is that Labour claims to have 1,600 members in the Richmond constituency. They polled less than that last night. Viva la revolution! "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 02 Dec 16 5.24pm

Originally posted by mezzer

Corbyn may hold Islington.

The really funny things is that Labour claims to have 1,600 members in the Richmond constituency. They polled less than that last night.

Viva la revolution!

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Dec 16 5.42pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Which could be a major concern when you move from the idea of a referendum to a constitutional system. I think its likely that a lot of Conservative remain voters would vote Lib Dem. I still think in most Labour heartlands, very few Labour votes will vote conservative, even if its a Exit strong area. Maybe UKIP, but that won't help the Tories as much as Lib Dems hovering up remaininers in the South East. All very fanciful plus you are forgetting that by no means all Remainers want a second referendum. If there is a sniff of that then they might vote Tory or UKIP. The whole second referendum thing is so transparently political and that will be offensive to many. Some people actually respect democracy.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Which could be a major concern when you move from the idea of a referendum to a constitutional system. I think its likely that a lot of Conservative remain voters would vote Lib Dem.

All very fanciful plus you are forgetting that by no means all Remainers want a second referendum. If there is a sniff of that then they might vote Tory or UKIP.
The whole second referendum thing is so transparently political and that will be offensive to many. Some people actually respect democracy.

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steeleye20 Croydon 02 Dec 16 6.05pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger All very fanciful plus you are forgetting that by no means all Remainers want a second referendum. If there is a sniff of that then they might vote Tory or UKIP. The whole second referendum thing is so transparently political and that will be offensive to many. Some people actually respect democracy. I am one of them referendums are an abdication of responsibility by the govt. of the day - another farcical referendum in Italy next week the PM thinks he should change the constitution so that it runs his way! Or guess what he will resign!
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Croydon 02 Dec 16 6.05pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I am one of them referendums are an abdication of responsibility by the govt. of the day - another farcical referendum in Italy next week the PM thinks he should change the constitution so that it runs his way! Or guess what he will resign!

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davenotamonkey 02 Dec 16 6.57pm
Originally posted by legaleagle So,anyone not on the right of the Tory party is now part of the left ? "The Lib Dems overturned an enormous Conservative majority to beat the former mayoral candidate in a by-election defined by Brexit" I thought you guys believed the voice of the people was legitimate and should be taken note of?. Edited by legaleagle (02 Dec 2016 7.51am) So if this by-election was "defined by Brexit", as Remainiacs are desperate to claim, let's look at the Richmond results: 1. EU referendum = 70% remain 2. Remain-backed candidates = 49.68+3.67 = 53.35% remain I see that as a (70-53) = 17% swing towards Brexit. Based on the Prof. Hanretty analysis of constituency data, there were 401/632 Brexit constituencies (63%). I wonder how many more constituencies would flip from Remainiac to Brexit based on that swing? Oh?? I'm taking figures out of context and contorting it beyond all meaningful use? I suggest you look at some of the shi'te the LimpDems, and even EU officials are claiming this result means for their sad cause. Both sides can play that game.
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Originally posted by legaleagle

So,anyone not on the right of the Tory party is now part of the left ?

"The Lib Dems overturned an enormous Conservative majority to beat the former mayoral candidate in a by-election defined by Brexit"

I thought you guys believed the voice of the people was legitimate and should be taken note of?.

Edited by legaleagle (02 Dec 2016 7.51am)

So if this by-election was "defined by Brexit", as Remainiacs are desperate to claim, let's look at the Richmond results:

1. EU referendum = 70% remain
2. Remain-backed candidates = 49.68+3.67 = 53.35% remain

I see that as a (70-53) = 17% swing towards Brexit.

Based on the Prof. Hanretty analysis of constituency data, there were 401/632 Brexit constituencies (63%). I wonder how many more constituencies would flip from Remainiac to Brexit based on that swing?

Oh?? I'm taking figures out of context and contorting it beyond all meaningful use? I suggest you look at some of the shi'te the LimpDems, and even EU officials are claiming this result means for their sad cause. Both sides can play that game.

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Kermit8 Hevon 02 Dec 16 7.21pm
Originally posted by davenotamonkey So if this by-election was "defined by Brexit", as Remainiacs are desperate to claim, let's look at the Richmond results: 1. EU referendum = 70% remain 2. Remain-backed candidates = 49.68+3.67 = 53.35% remain I see that as a (70-53) = 17% swing towards Brexit. Based on the Prof. Hanretty analysis of constituency data, there were 401/632 Brexit constituencies (63%). I wonder how many more constituencies would flip from Remainiac to Brexit based on that swing? Oh?? I'm taking figures out of context and contorting it beyond all meaningful use? I suggest you look at some of the shi'te the LimpDems, and even EU officials are claiming this result means for their sad cause. Both sides can play that game. I do like your posts dave i've gotta admit. I have a question. Now that we know that the £350,000,0000 EU money per week will now not perhaps be seen by the NHS as advertised, nor that Turkey are in imminent danger of joining the EU as advertised, or that we will have access to the single market on our terms as advertised, and that other countries/companies will not be necessarily bending over backwards to keep our trade as advertised; would you be confident of 51.9% or more for Brexit if a second referendum were held? Not trying to point score here but just wondering what you think our options should be if you don't think a majority for Brexit would be achieved now? i.e the tacit majority would now want to stay. Pursue a Hard Brexit or assuage the general feeling and go for Soft? Would be very interesting to know, even though we can't of course, how much of the Brexit vote would accept the soft option now? The middle ground may be the way to go to bring the majority together, i suspect. Edited by Kermit8 (02 Dec 2016 7.44pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 02 Dec 16 7.21pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

So if this by-election was "defined by Brexit", as Remainiacs are desperate to claim, let's look at the Richmond results:

1. EU referendum = 70% remain
2. Remain-backed candidates = 49.68+3.67 = 53.35% remain

I see that as a (70-53) = 17% swing towards Brexit.

I do like your posts dave i've gotta admit.

I have a question.

Now that we know that the £350,000,0000 EU money per week will now not perhaps be seen by the NHS as advertised, nor that Turkey are in imminent danger of joining the EU as advertised, or that we will have access to the single market on our terms as advertised, and that other countries/companies will not be necessarily bending over backwards to keep our trade as advertised; would you be confident of 51.9% or more for Brexit if a second referendum were held?

Not trying to point score here but just wondering what you think our options should be if you don't think a majority for Brexit would be achieved now? i.e the tacit majority would now want to stay.

Pursue a Hard Brexit or assuage the general feeling and go for Soft?

Would be very interesting to know, even though we can't of course, how much of the Brexit vote would accept the soft option now? The middle ground may be the way to go to bring the majority together, i suspect.

Edited by Kermit8 (02 Dec 2016 7.44pm)

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chris123 hove actually 02 Dec 16 7.27pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 I do like your posts dave i've gotta admit. I have a question. Now that we know that the £350,000,0000 EU money per week will now not perhaps seen by the NHS as advertised, nor that Turkey are in imminent danger of joining the EU as advertised, or that we will have access to the single market on our terms as advertised, and that other countries/companies will not be necessarily bending over backwards to keep our trade as advertised; would you be confident of 51.9% or more for Brexit if a second referendum were held? Not trying to point score here but just wondering what you think our options should be if you don't think a majority for Brexit would be achieved now? i.e the tacit majority would now want to stay. Pursue a Hard Bexit or assuage the general feeling and go for Soft? Edited by Kermit8 (02 Dec 2016 7.23pm) When did you first know the £350m was a gross number?
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hove actually 02 Dec 16 7.27pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

I do like your posts dave i've gotta admit.

I have a question.

Now that we know that the £350,000,0000 EU money per week will now not perhaps seen by the NHS as advertised, nor that Turkey are in imminent danger of joining the EU as advertised, or that we will have access to the single market on our terms as advertised, and that other countries/companies will not be necessarily bending over backwards to keep our trade as advertised; would you be confident of 51.9% or more for Brexit if a second referendum were held?

Not trying to point score here but just wondering what you think our options should be if you don't think a majority for Brexit would be achieved now? i.e the tacit majority would now want to stay.

Pursue a Hard Bexit or assuage the general feeling and go for Soft?

Edited by Kermit8 (02 Dec 2016 7.23pm)

When did you first know the £350m was a gross number?

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Kermit8 Hevon 02 Dec 16 7.39pm
Originally posted by chris123 When did you first know the £350m was a gross number? It was written on the side of The Truth Bus. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 02 Dec 16 7.39pm

Originally posted by chris123

When did you first know the £350m was a gross number?

It was written on the side of The Truth Bus.

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chris123 hove actually 02 Dec 16 7.48pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 It was written on the side of The Truth Bus. Well if you're not going to answer, I'll assume that you like most people, knew full well that it was a gross number.
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hove actually 02 Dec 16 7.48pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

It was written on the side of The Truth Bus.

Well if you're not going to answer, I'll assume that you like most people, knew full well that it was a gross number.

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Kermit8 Hevon 02 Dec 16 7.52pm
Originally posted by chris123 Well if you're not going to answer, I'll assume that you like most people, knew full well that it was a gross number. The people who wrote it on the side of The Truth Bus didn't make that clear for obvious reasons. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 02 Dec 16 7.52pm

Originally posted by chris123

Well if you're not going to answer, I'll assume that you like most people, knew full well that it was a gross number.

The people who wrote it on the side of The Truth Bus didn't make that clear for obvious reasons.

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