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 Stirlingsays  21 Nov 23 7.52pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
To anybody reasonable, he's far from far right. He's free market economics,linking to the US dollar and investment. Inflation is hundreds of percent in Argentina currently - but it's not exactly the rise of fascists. People seem to forget the actual far-right are not going to be voted in democratically. There are real, actual far right out there - but they're really out there: not exactly widespread or popular. Yep, calling him far right is just for the dim valley girls and soy boys. Like you say he's a free market guy and libertarian. Fascism and communism are both statist and he seems to be the opposite of that. But they are going to come for him, like they did for Bolsonaro and Trump now...even though Bolsonaro improved the economy......I suspect he isn't a soft touch and will clear them out first but we will see. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2023 7.54pm)
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| Stirlingsays 21 Nov 23 8.19pm |
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Whoever wins in 2024 it's going to be very turbulent in America....whoever wins I suspect the result will be contested on some grounds fairly or not. It's going to get nasty after about a decade of increasing polarisation and increasing drifting apart of both mainstreams. No one backs down and compromises anymore because there is less and less in common. Protests, riots, you could even get terrorism. Whoever wins there will be civil unrest and at some point supply chains and markets could be affected. We will see. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2023 8.20pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Nov 23 8.38pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
To anybody reasonable, he's far from far right. He's free market economics,linking to the US dollar and investment. Inflation is hundreds of percent in Argentina currently - but it's not exactly the rise of fascists. People seem to forget the actual far-right are not going to be voted in democratically. There are real, actual far right out there - but they're really out there: not exactly widespread or popular. What is reasonable, or far right, depends entirely on where your own political views lie on the spectrum. He is not a socialist. Nor a centralist. Hardly on the centre right either. Trump like populist certainly but to many far right is a very fair description given his approach.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Nov 23 8.51pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Yes, he rounded up his opponents and tortured them in a football stadium. The military are roaming the streets beating non-conformists and the country is enacting race laws. The Falklands better watch out. He's already cancelled the next election. Not yet. Better watch out though. They start with words that people want to hear, then when they start to hear dissent coming back because of things they fail to do they turn to oppression to control opponents. Just look at Orban!
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| BrentisBack Beckenham 21 Nov 23 10.18pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
To anybody reasonable, he's far from far right. He's free market economics,linking to the US dollar and investment. Inflation is hundreds of percent in Argentina currently - but it's not exactly the rise of fascists. People seem to forget the actual far-right are not going to be voted in democratically. There are real, actual far right out there - but they're really out there: not exactly widespread or popular. Not yet. Let him get his feet under the table would you.
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| BrentisBack Beckenham 21 Nov 23 10.32pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Whoever wins in 2024 it's going to be very turbulent in America....whoever wins I suspect the result will be contested on some grounds fairly or not. It's going to get nasty after about a decade of increasing polarisation and increasing drifting apart of both mainstreams. No one backs down and compromises anymore because there is less and less in common. Protests, riots, you could even get terrorism. Whoever wins there will be civil unrest and at some point supply chains and markets could be affected. We will see. It’s a very dramatic and pessimistic view you have of this world. It won’t be like this at all after the 2024 election if Trump loses. Once he has stopped wailing and carrying on like the giant toddler he is, he will realise that his political career is over. The GOP will have to reincarnate itself in a new friendlier form and we will all move on. The crazy fringes that Trump has energised and brought together will fall away to the fringes again. And we can all get on with living our lives back to when things were great before 2016. Labour will crush the Tories in the election over here, thus ending populism and division in this country. And the noisy minority can go back to be just that under Farage’s party, thus breaking the Tory party apart even more and making them less likely to return for a very long time. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2023 8.20pm)
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| Stirlingsays 21 Nov 23 10.39pm |
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Originally posted by BrentisBack
It’s a very dramatic and pessimistic view you have of this world. It won’t be like this at all after the 2024 election if Trump loses. Once he has stopped wailing and carrying on like the giant toddler he is, he will realise that his political career is over. The GOP will have to reincarnate itself in a new friendlier form and we will all move on. The crazy fringes that Trump has energised and brought together will fall away to the fringes again. And we can all get on with living our lives back to when things were great before 2016. Labour will crush the Tories in the election over here, thus ending populism and division in this country. And the noisy minority can go back to be just that under Farage’s party, thus breaking the Tory party apart even more and making them less likely to return for a very long time. Stay out of betting shops. But hey, I'm happy that you're happy......Just don't have a pop at me if it goes all Pete Tong for the left.
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| BrentisBack Beckenham 22 Nov 23 6.32am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Stay out of betting shops. But hey, I'm happy that you're happy......Just don't have a pop at me if it goes all Pete Tong for the left. I can’t see it going Pete Tong for either side exclusively. I can just see there being a push to move thing back to central ground and an end to the tiresome culture wars. It’s no good for any society to have such chasms in them.
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| Lombardinho London 22 Nov 23 11.25am |
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Originally posted by BrentisBack
I'm with you on the silverware for Palace bit.
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| Stirlingsays 22 Nov 23 12.12pm |
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Originally posted by BrentisBack
I can’t see it going Pete Tong for either side exclusively. I can just see there being a push to move thing back to central ground and an end to the tiresome culture wars. It’s no good for any society to have such chasms in them. Dude, you'd have to go back to the nineties for that. I don't think you'd like the Democrats of the nineties.
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| BrentisBack Beckenham 22 Nov 23 8.38pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yep, calling him far right is just for the dim valley girls and soy boys. Like you say he's a free market guy and libertarian. Fascism and communism are both statist and he seems to be the opposite of that. But they are going to come for him, like they did for Bolsonaro and Trump now...even though Bolsonaro improved the economy......I suspect he isn't a soft touch and will clear them out first but we will see. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2023 7.54pm) Please stop with the soy boys insult. We’ve all mainly moved over to oat milk now days. An oat latte is a masterful thing.
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| Stirlingsays 22 Nov 23 9.15pm |
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Originally posted by BrentisBack
Please stop with the soy boys insult. We’ve all mainly moved over to oat milk now days. An oat latte is a masterful thing. Oat milk? Really?
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