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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Jun 24 10.19am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Despite its huge numbers, Humanity only occupies a tiny part of the globe. I am certain that there are areas of the world that could be used if the will is there. Necessity is the mother of invention. Of course, we could always be centrist and negative like you and dither along for years while Europe is over run by our enemies. Let’s then hear some actual examples which you think are certain to be acceptable. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 09 Jun 24 10.19am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Despite its huge numbers, Humanity only occupies a tiny part of the globe.
I am certain that there are areas of the world that could be used if the will is there. Necessity is the mother of invention.

Of course, we could always be centrist and negative like you and dither along for years while Europe is over run by our enemies.

Let’s then hear some actual examples which you think are certain to be acceptable.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 09 Jun 24 10.19am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The whole idea of 'smashing' gangs is pie in the sky. Organised crime will always exist all the time money can be made. Remove one gang and another will take its place. We have to remove the market by making a trip to Britain undesirable. I hate to say it, but the Tories have the right idea. I said ages ago that illegals should be moved to a third place. Sending them home might be difficult so an alternative country is the best option. The Rwanda plan is limited but it paves the way for more ambitious plans and more international consensus and cooperation. Someone has to start the ball rolling. Several years ago, I said that a new state should be created for illegal migrants, much like Israel was reborn for Jews. Anyone who tries to illegally enter a European country could be sent there with no legal objections available if the ECHR woke up to the modern world and changed its attitude. I'm sure there are plenty of unoccupied places where these people could go and the cost of setting it up would be no more painful than what we have now. If any family members in other countries wanted to join their migrant relations, they could go there too, just like many Jews left the USA for Israel. It all makes perfect sense. Just get the map out and find somewhere. Unless we take radical action and soon, Europe is at risk of civil war and collapse. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Jun 2024 10.05am) There seems to be a general consensus on this board that illegal migration is what skews the overall immigration debate, with those arriving here through proper routes being tarred with the same brush as those who ‘jump the queue’. I know that the human rights brigade and the mob who protest against everything won’t like the removal of asylum seekers to a third country for processing but…. Turn up on these shores with your own passport to claim asylum and your claim is processed in the UK. Turn up without it and instant removal to Rwanda (or Scotland, who following the tv debate seem only too willing for an influx of immigrants!). This should diminish the desire to make the channel crossing without documentation and in theory will lessen the power of the criminal gangs. Those without passports may have to stay on mainland Europe but I don’t see that as a problem. hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The whole idea of 'smashing' gangs is pie in the sky.

Organised crime will always exist all the time money can be made.
Remove one gang and another will take its place.

We have to remove the market by making a trip to Britain undesirable. I hate to say it, but the Tories have the right idea. I said ages ago that illegals should be moved to a third place. Sending them home might be difficult so an alternative country is the best option.
The Rwanda plan is limited but it paves the way for more ambitious plans and more international consensus and cooperation.

Someone has to start the ball rolling.

Several years ago, I said that a new state should be created for illegal migrants, much like Israel was reborn for Jews.
Anyone who tries to illegally enter a European country could be sent there with no legal objections available if the ECHR woke up to the modern world and changed its attitude.
I'm sure there are plenty of unoccupied places where these people could go and the cost of setting it up would be no more painful than what we have now.

If any family members in other countries wanted to join their migrant relations, they could go there too, just like many Jews left the USA for Israel.

It all makes perfect sense. Just get the map out and find somewhere.

Unless we take radical action and soon, Europe is at risk of civil war and collapse.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Jun 2024 10.05am)

There seems to be a general consensus on this board that illegal migration is what skews the overall immigration debate, with those arriving here through proper routes being tarred with the same brush as those who ‘jump the queue’. I know that the human rights brigade and the mob who protest against everything won’t like the removal of asylum seekers to a third country for processing but….
Turn up on these shores with your own passport to claim asylum and your claim is processed in the UK. Turn up without it and instant removal to Rwanda (or Scotland, who following the tv debate seem only too willing for an influx of immigrants!).
This should diminish the desire to make the channel crossing without documentation and in theory will lessen the power of the criminal gangs. Those without passports may have to stay on mainland Europe but I don’t see that as a problem.

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 24 10.42am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Let’s then hear some actual examples which you think are certain to be acceptable. That requires time to make the best decision. I'm not going to suggest a car park in Kazakhstan just to pander to your daft and unoriginal debating tactics.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Let’s then hear some actual examples which you think are certain to be acceptable.

That requires time to make the best decision.

I'm not going to suggest a car park in Kazakhstan just to pander to your daft and unoriginal debating tactics.

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steeleye20 Croydon 09 Jun 24 10.55am
There is a current problem with immigration, but legal migration. Mainly the post-brexit importation from India in particular. The 2023 total of 730,00 is clearly too much, it is typical of the brexiteer fantasy of increased control while having no control at all. We do need immigration, it is the driver of growth of which we have seen very little since 2010, and to support our public services and the expensive to maintain generation that enabled the tories, the age group 70+. The numbers of illegal migrants are not enough to make much difference to the figures.
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Croydon 09 Jun 24 10.55am

There is a current problem with immigration, but legal migration.

Mainly the post-brexit importation from India in particular.

The 2023 total of 730,00 is clearly too much, it is typical of the brexiteer fantasy of increased control while having no control at all.

We do need immigration, it is the driver of growth of which we have seen very little since 2010, and to support our public services and the expensive to maintain generation that enabled the tories, the age group 70+.

The numbers of illegal migrants are not enough to make much difference to the figures.

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Badger11 Beckenham 09 Jun 24 11.04am
Originally posted by steeleye20 There is a current problem with immigration, but legal migration. Mainly the post-brexit importation from India in particular. The 2023 total of 730,00 is clearly too much, it is typical of the brexiteer fantasy of increased control while having no control at all. We do need immigration, it is the driver of growth of which we have seen very little since 2010, and to support our public services and the expensive to maintain generation that enabled the tories, the age group 70+. The numbers of illegal migrants are not enough to make much difference to the figures. C'mon Steeleye controlling immigration is not a fantasy. The government did not have to massively increase the number of visas for students to come to this country. Now we are finding that the process is being abused by both students and colleges. Immigration is in the control of the government and they choose to lie to the public. We can limit it to the sectors that require it whilst forcing businesses to train and hire local staff. This may not happen over night but I would start by reducing the student visa scam sorry scheme. One more point
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Beckenham 09 Jun 24 11.04am

Originally posted by steeleye20

There is a current problem with immigration, but legal migration.

Mainly the post-brexit importation from India in particular.

The 2023 total of 730,00 is clearly too much, it is typical of the brexiteer fantasy of increased control while having no control at all.

We do need immigration, it is the driver of growth of which we have seen very little since 2010, and to support our public services and the expensive to maintain generation that enabled the tories, the age group 70+.

The numbers of illegal migrants are not enough to make much difference to the figures.

C'mon Steeleye controlling immigration is not a fantasy. The government did not have to massively increase the number of visas for students to come to this country. Now we are finding that the process is being abused by both students and colleges.

Immigration is in the control of the government and they choose to lie to the public. We can limit it to the sectors that require it whilst forcing businesses to train and hire local staff. This may not happen over night but I would start by reducing the student visa scam sorry scheme.

One more point

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georgenorman 09 Jun 24 11.13am
Originally posted by steeleye20 There is a current problem with immigration, but legal migration. Mainly the post-brexit importation from India in particular. The 2023 total of 730,00 is clearly too much, it is typical of the brexiteer fantasy of increased control while having no control at all. We do need immigration, it is the driver of growth of which we have seen very little since 2010, and to support our public services and the expensive to maintain generation that enabled the tories, the age group 70+. The numbers of illegal migrants are not enough to make much difference to the figures. It's like listening to a child talking about Father Christmas.
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09 Jun 24 11.13am

Originally posted by steeleye20

There is a current problem with immigration, but legal migration.

Mainly the post-brexit importation from India in particular.

The 2023 total of 730,00 is clearly too much, it is typical of the brexiteer fantasy of increased control while having no control at all.

The numbers of illegal migrants are not enough to make much difference to the figures.

It's like listening to a child talking about Father Christmas.

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Teddy Eagle 09 Jun 24 11.44am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Your summary sounded like him. Whilst the whole is rather more nuanced it is still just political click bait during an election. Something I disregard at all times and will be by Labour quite quickly too when they face the realities. The only way to solve the problem is by coordinated international action. It wasn't my summary. It was a direct quote.
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Teddy Eagle

09 Jun 24 11.44am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Your summary sounded like him. Whilst the whole is rather more nuanced it is still just political click bait during an election.

Something I disregard at all times and will be by Labour quite quickly too when they face the realities.

The only way to solve the problem is by coordinated international action.

It wasn't my summary. It was a direct quote.

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The Dolphin 09 Jun 24 12.04pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 There is a current problem with immigration, but legal migration. Mainly the post-brexit importation from India in particular. The 2023 total of 730,00 is clearly too much, it is typical of the brexiteer fantasy of increased control while having no control at all. We do need immigration, it is the driver of growth of which we have seen very little since 2010, and to support our public services and the expensive to maintain generation that enabled the tories, the age group 70+. The numbers of illegal migrants are not enough to make much difference to the figures. Legal immigration is nothing to do with brexit!! In that regard we are totally in charge of our borders but seem to choose to slow the system to be abused. Legal immigration is fine with me as long as they bring something to the table. Illegals can f*** off though.
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The Dolphin

09 Jun 24 12.04pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

There is a current problem with immigration, but legal migration.

Mainly the post-brexit importation from India in particular.

The 2023 total of 730,00 is clearly too much, it is typical of the brexiteer fantasy of increased control while having no control at all.

The numbers of illegal migrants are not enough to make much difference to the figures.

Legal immigration is nothing to do with brexit!!
In that regard we are totally in charge of our borders but seem to choose to slow the system to be abused.
Legal immigration is fine with me as long as they bring something to the table.
Illegals can f*** off though.

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Badger11 Beckenham 09 Jun 24 12.33pm
Immigration masks poor productivity. [Link] We need to focus on lack of investment and companies unwilling to train people. Edited by Badger11 (09 Jun 2024 12.33pm) One more point
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Beckenham 09 Jun 24 12.33pm

Immigration masks poor productivity.

[Link]

We need to focus on lack of investment and companies unwilling to train people.

Edited by Badger11 (09 Jun 2024 12.33pm)

One more point

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silvertop Portishead 10 Jun 24 10.08am
Originally posted by Badger11 Immigration masks poor productivity. [Link] We need to focus on lack of investment and companies unwilling to train people. Edited by Badger11 (09 Jun 2024 12.33pm) On that we can agree. Our growth under Blair was partly due to competitive labour costs through relatively cheap migrant labour. During those salad days our productivity was lower than our competitors.
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silvertop

Portishead 10 Jun 24 10.08am

Originally posted by Badger11

Immigration masks poor productivity.

[Link]

We need to focus on lack of investment and companies unwilling to train people.

Edited by Badger11 (09 Jun 2024 12.33pm)

On that we can agree. Our growth under Blair was partly due to competitive labour costs through relatively cheap migrant labour. During those salad days our productivity was lower than our competitors.

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Stirlingsays 10 Jun 24 11.32am
Originally posted by Badger11 Immigration masks poor productivity. [Link] We need to focus on lack of investment and companies unwilling to train people. Edited by Badger11 (09 Jun 2024 12.33pm) Insane levels of immigration since Blair....which is mainly into England is madness and largely based upon wishful thinking by leftists/social liberals and the business lobby....and I want accountability for it. England is physically smaller than New York State. Politicians and unelected officials are responsible for bankrupting this country and advertising it as a honey pot for parasitic third worlders. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jun 2024 11.33am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

10 Jun 24 11.32am

Originally posted by Badger11

Immigration masks poor productivity.

[Link]

We need to focus on lack of investment and companies unwilling to train people.

Edited by Badger11 (09 Jun 2024 12.33pm)

Insane levels of immigration since Blair....which is mainly into England is madness and largely based upon wishful thinking by leftists/social liberals and the business lobby....and I want accountability for it.

England is physically smaller than New York State.

Politicians and unelected officials are responsible for bankrupting this country and advertising it as a honey pot for parasitic third worlders.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jun 2024 11.33am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 10 Jun 24 11.46am
Poor immigration is a problem made and continued by the politicians of all parties of the UK, i am an immigrant. “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn
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Lanzarote 10 Jun 24 11.46am

Poor immigration is a problem made and continued by the politicians of all parties of the UK, i am an immigrant.

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

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