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 Teddy Eagle  15 Mar 23 10.59am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Me. I don't believe it anymore than I dismiss it and that, I think, has been the position of most folk who try to maintain an open mind on something that hasn't been establshed as a fact. The "conspiracy theories" that were condemned were not that it was a possible leak, but that it was a deliberate leak and the way that it was politicised by Trump. An accidental leak was always a likely, even probable source, but the kickback came when Trump started to use this as an excuse to turn the focus away from him. We needed China to co-operate and allow the WHO access to determine the cause, take steps to limit the damageand and advise on improvements to avoid any future reoccuence. They are naturally reticent and secretive anyway but when Trump started his tirade of playing the blame game and suggesting compensation they slammed the door shut. It was not the way to handle a crisis. That was why the kickback happened. To try to keep China onside. That's the way. China starts a pandemic which closes down the world and kills many thousands and Trump is the villain of the piece.
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 Hrolf The Ganger  15 Mar 23 11.20am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
That's the way. China starts a pandemic which closes down the world and kills many thousands and Trump is the villain of the piece. And is now tipped to become the next POTUS...again. After the highly predictable total failure of the Biden administration, it's not really a shock.
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| eaglesdare 15 Mar 23 11.35am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
And is now tipped to become the next POTUS...again. After the highly predictable total failure of the Biden administration, it's not really a shock. Biden has done everything he can to start WW3. I have also lost count the amount of times sleepy Joe has caught covid even after he gave misinformation by telling everyone that the vaccine stops transmission and he is on his 4th or 5th booster now or someting.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Mar 23 4.30pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
That's the way. China starts a pandemic which closes down the world and kills many thousands and Trump is the villain of the piece. That's worthy of Trump himself, and you are better than that! It seems the pandemic started in China, but it is possible it arrived from elsewhere. We simply don't know. That's different from suggesting that "China starts a pandemic". That suggests an accident or even a deliberate act. Again we don't know. So suggesting China is the villain, without proof, is neither accurate nor helpful. Trump on the other hand was a villain. Not for causing a pandemic but for reacting to it politically. He attempted to shift the focus away from his dithering response and tried to find a target to blame.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Mar 23 4.42pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
And is now tipped to become the next POTUS...again. After the highly predictable total failure of the Biden administration, it's not really a shock. Wrong and wrong. Trump is currently at 3-1. Which I think is optimistic given the numerous indictments he seems likely to face. Biden is at 2-1. Which suggests people donn't see his administration as a total failure. Not those who vote anyway. Perhaps those on a football website with a right wing outlook do!
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| Teddy Eagle 15 Mar 23 5.07pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's worthy of Trump himself, and you are better than that! It seems the pandemic started in China, but it is possible it arrived from elsewhere. We simply don't know. That's different from suggesting that "China starts a pandemic". That suggests an accident or even a deliberate act. Again we don't know. So suggesting China is the villain, without proof, is neither accurate nor helpful. Trump on the other hand was a villain. Not for causing a pandemic but for reacting to it politically. He attempted to shift the focus away from his dithering response and tried to find a target to blame. I'm not by any means suggesting it was deliberate but to deny a laboratory specialising in virus research at the epicentre of the pandemic wasn't responsible is stretching credulity beyond reason.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Mar 23 10.54pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I'm not by any means suggesting it was deliberate but to deny a laboratory specialising in virus research at the epicentre of the pandemic wasn't responsible is stretching credulity beyond reason. I don't disagree that it is a smoking gun, but as we don't know what happened it's very unwise to draw conclusions. If it was the smoking gun that fired the bullet we don't know who was holding it, who it was aimed at and why. Nor, actually, do we know who made the bullet. Making assumptions in the world of geopolitics is quite possibly what someone wants you to think. Now I know I am also dabbling in conspiracy theory but in truth that's all anyone has. The meaning behind Trump's motivation was never really in doubt. He wouldn't admit it, he never does, so we cannot know for sure, but there was no other logical explanation. If he was able to prove it, he would have done.
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| Teddy Eagle 15 Mar 23 11.04pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't disagree that it is a smoking gun, but as we don't know what happened it's very unwise to draw conclusions. If it was the smoking gun that fired the bullet we don't know who was holding it, who it was aimed at and why. Nor, actually, do we know who made the bullet. Making assumptions in the world of geopolitics is quite possibly what someone wants you to think. Now I know I am also dabbling in conspiracy theory but in truth that's all anyone has. The meaning behind Trump's motivation was never really in doubt. He wouldn't admit it, he never does, so we cannot know for sure, but there was no other logical explanation. If he was able to prove it, he would have done. There were no "bullets" involved, in all probability it was an accident. You cannot be convinced of Trump's motivations without conceding that fact.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Mar 23 11.47pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
There were no "bullets" involved, in all probability it was an accident. You cannot be convinced of Trump's motivations without conceding that fact. Your analogy at least made me smile! Unfortunately even Cadburys are innocent until proven guilty. They are also much less likely to be the victims of geopolitics. Though maybe Nestle have sleeper agents in Bournville. I wouldn't put anything past the Swiss.
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| Teddy Eagle 15 Mar 23 11.56pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Your analogy at least made me smile! Unfortunately even Cadburys are innocent until proven guilty. They are also much less likely to be the victims of geopolitics. Though maybe Nestle have sleeper agents in Bournville. I wouldn't put anything past the Swiss. All those cuckoo clocks would affect the mildest of chocolate makers. Nevertheless sometimes the most obvious suspect is guilty. In this case that is the laboratory researching Corona viruses.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Mar 23 12.02am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
All those cuckoo clocks would affect the mildest of chocolate makers. Nevertheless sometimes the most obvious suspect is guilty. In this case that is the laboratory researching Corona viruses. It's certainly the most obvious explanation. Or is that what someone wants us to think? We are unlikely to ever know.
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| Teddy Eagle 16 Mar 23 12.05am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's certainly the most obvious explanation. Or is that what someone wants us to think? We are unlikely to ever know. No. As the saying goes, sometimes Sigmund a cigar is just a cigar.
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