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steeleye20 Croydon 26 Mar 21 3.42pm | |
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I think we are confused. Importing to the UK from the EU is largely unaffected due to the UK government extending grace periods and not enforcing brexit rules. Exporting to the EU is a completely different matter, brexit is full on and the UK is experiencing the potential loss of its main market altogether. The UK could have extended the transition in view of covid but it was blind to reason. Really brexiteers arguments are pathetic, a problem for every solution. You have to have a reason for EU customers now buying from you, why would they? It is difficult complicated expensive, before it was easy, so why?
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Matov 26 Mar 21 5.31pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I think we are confused. Importing to the UK from the EU is largely unaffected due to the UK government extending grace periods and not enforcing brexit rules. Exporting to the EU is a completely different matter, brexit is full on and the UK is experiencing the potential loss of its main market altogether. The UK could have extended the transition in view of covid but it was blind to reason. Really brexiteers arguments are pathetic, a problem for every solution. You have to have a reason for EU customers now buying from you, why would they? It is difficult complicated expensive, before it was easy, so why? Whilst I disagree with your wider sentiment, the actual basics of this have some validity. For specific reasons, the UK is not matching the kind of import controls that the EU is placing on our exports. The EU are being officious w***ers but that is what they are. My entire rationale around the notion of 'No Deal' was based on the fact that the EU would never show the kind of good-will flexibility to make a trade deal work. They are simply incapable of it and essentially have to be treated as a wounded animal. Dangerous in the extreme. Essentially we are in a grin and bear it phase. Easier for the UK over-all to just let EU goods flow in for the time being. But one day, and it will be soon, then the game changes. And then we turn off the taps for a whole range of EU agricultural goods whilst we have ships coming in from all over the world stacked to the rafters with all kinds of goodies. Patience is the key here. All I see is a European Union in dire trouble. Yes, its not great for us but we are free of its clutches and can react faster and more decisively. This is as bad as it gets for us and we are surviving. Soon the boot will be on the other foot.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 26 Mar 21 6.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Whilst I disagree with your wider sentiment, the actual basics of this have some validity. For specific reasons, the UK is not matching the kind of import controls that the EU is placing on our exports. The EU are being officious w***ers but that is what they are. My entire rationale around the notion of 'No Deal' was based on the fact that the EU would never show the kind of good-will flexibility to make a trade deal work. They are simply incapable of it and essentially have to be treated as a wounded animal. Dangerous in the extreme. Essentially we are in a grin and bear it phase. Easier for the UK over-all to just let EU goods flow in for the time being. But one day, and it will be soon, then the game changes. And then we turn off the taps for a whole range of EU agricultural goods whilst we have ships coming in from all over the world stacked to the rafters with all kinds of goodies. Patience is the key here. All I see is a European Union in dire trouble. Yes, its not great for us but we are free of its clutches and can react faster and more decisively. This is as bad as it gets for us and we are surviving. Soon the boot will be on the other foot. I've never really seen tarrifs on imported goods have much of a positive impact on anything. Often the intentions seem fair but the end results were not as expected.
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steeleye20 Croydon 26 Mar 21 7.27pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I've never really seen tarrifs on imported goods have much of a positive impact on anything. Often the intentions seem fair but the end results were not as expected. Can we have a precis please. Good anyway. My basic point is that to export to the EU the UK has to be competitive in delivery, price and quality. And it has to be easy, the most important thing, but how can that be now, many exporters have simply given up. EU people will simply buy elsewhere within the market without all the extra hassle. Treaties, rules do not decide, it is consumers, businesses, not politicians who buy and sell. We are talking 2.9% GDP? You would have to lay all our trade arrangements end to end to achieve a fraction of that. 'brexit means brexit'
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cryrst The garden of England 26 Mar 21 7.38pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Can we have a precis please. Good anyway. My basic point is that to export to the EU the UK has to be competitive in delivery, price and quality. And it has to be easy, the most important thing, but how can that be now, many exporters have simply given up. EU people will simply buy elsewhere within the market without all the extra hassle. Treaties, rules do not decide, it is consumers, businesses, not politicians who buy and sell. We are talking 2.9% GDP? You would have to lay all our trade arrangements end to end to achieve a fraction of that. 'brexit means brexit'
3 months in ; did you not say in an earlier post that it needs 6-9 months to make comparisons?
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 26 Mar 21 7.57pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
3 months in ; did you not say in an earlier post that it needs 6-9 months to make comparisons? Think it was 6 months mate, 3 to go before we call you on it .
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 26 Mar 21 8.02pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I think we are confused. Importing to the UK from the EU is largely unaffected due to the UK government extending grace periods and not enforcing brexit rules. Exporting to the EU is a completely different matter, brexit is full on and the UK is experiencing the potential loss of its main market altogether. The UK could have extended the transition in view of covid but it was blind to reason. Really brexiteers arguments are pathetic, a problem for every solution. You have to have a reason for EU customers now buying from you, why would they? It is difficult complicated expensive, before it was easy, so why?
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 26 Mar 21 8.04pm | |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Think it was 6 months mate, 3 to go before we call you on it . Sorry peoples, i ment the member for Medway said give it 6 months and see, not Steeleye!
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 26 Mar 21 8.11pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
7 weeks in to brexit. Just to clear up any confusion mate.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 26 Mar 21 9.49pm | |
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I highly doubt the export issues we are currently facing will get resolved in the next 3 months. Even more unlikely now they're imploding over their inability to organise their vaccine response. Maybe 18-24 months before that gets close to some sort of resolution... and even then it won't be enough to reverse the severe damage it is doing to a vast swathe of UK businesses, from e-commerce to shellfish. It will be even worse if we fail to take advantage of the glorious position we are likely to be in as economic first movers vs. EU countries who are so far behind their vaccination programmes. Happy to be proven wrong in 3 months, though.
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Matov 26 Mar 21 11.28pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Can we have a precis please. Good anyway. My basic point is that to export to the EU the UK has to be competitive in delivery, price and quality. And it has to be easy, the most important thing, but how can that be now, many exporters have simply given up. EU people will simply buy elsewhere within the market without all the extra hassle. Treaties, rules do not decide, it is consumers, businesses, not politicians who buy and sell. We are talking 2.9% GDP? You would have to lay all our trade arrangements end to end to achieve a fraction of that. 'brexit means brexit'
Our economy will adjust. And when we start matching the EU in terms of obstacles for imports then it will hurt them more than us. Then lets see who is bleating. We pay far too much for our food. We can import a lot more, a lot cheaper. At the moment, due to Covid, global trade is impacted. But once normality returns, then we will see. Yes, the EU is playing the utter w***er card at the moment. In a way it is rather gratifying. Proves what millions of us believed about it all along. It does not have to be this way but chooses to do so. As of now, and due to Covid, that has had no real impact on its exporters. This time in 18 months it will. Europe is heading for a real s*** storm. The ECB will open the coffers for just long enough to stabilise the German, and to a lesser extent, the Dutch economies, before turning off the tap. The need to keep the other smaller economies poor so that the Euro is kept as a cheap global currency allowing all those shiny German and Dutch exports to be sold is all that matters. The single s***ty Catch 22 of the entire farce that is the Euro. Brexit will be this nations saving grace.
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cryrst The garden of England 27 Mar 21 2.46am | |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Sorry peoples, i ment the member for Medway said give it 6 months and see, not Steeleye! Correct but 'we' call you on it, unless you are one and the same poster
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