Like you did with Brexit and the election? Your record isn't that great.

You mentioned that you suggested moving there for your family but that they preferred Croydon.

How shall I put it....I think you made the more sensible suggestion.....I'm just saying Maple, you're an old man and the area is going to catch up with you eventually.

Why? No one seemed to have a problem with the term growing up....black or white. It must be a middle class thing. It's a generalisation, as is 'whites' but personally I view it a far better ethnic term than BAME, which seems to group all non white groups together ignoring their personal identities.

Well, I used the description of 'personal tragedy', which every death is of course. However, everyone is going to die chief and I don't cry fake tears for those I don't know.....that doesn't mean I don't recognise other people's loss. I just don't insult them by using warm words.

Plus, I regard the approach I and many others have pushed for would have resulted in far less death worldwide....and probably here as well...I don't think there is any evidence that the lockdown actually works....it just stretches infection out (as I say, you can't control open systems) and it causes loads of deaths via other means....I view what Johnson and his team said first was the reality...but they bottled it......Instead they have caused generational debt levels for nothing.

Madness.

Slowing down the virus amongst anyone other than the vulnerable elderly makes no sense. Like I said, we are now in a recession...world-wide. And the costs of this pointless hubris becomes more apparent everyday......Funny how most of the press never mention Sweden now.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Oct 2020 12.26am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I disagree to an extent. china is benefiting to a great degree. In fact, wherever there is suffering, there are always those that profit.
That huge pay rise UK politicians voted themselves, just before lockdown, is just one example.

I disengage, I turn the page.

You are so full of empathy

We know young people with long covid. They are in a mess. Likely they would not be in such a mess had they caught it now.

Feck off with your 'old man'.

I don't know how well China are doing now but when I last looked it wasn't that great relative to before....not that anyone can really trust China's books.

I agree with your point that there will nearly always be those that profit regardless of the situation.

That said, the most we can hope for is that the world economy recovers as fast as possible....and when it comes to choosing between Trump and Biden on that score it's obvious where our interest should rest.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Excuse me for interrupting but it seems to me you are missing the point. Again.

It's not whether people care about being called something that matters. It's the mindset of those doing the calling which does.

Dividing people into groups based on entirely arbitrary characteristics, like the colour of their skin or sexual orientation, inevitably leads to unreasonable assumptions and unequal treatment.

We need to use relevant characteristics. Using the subject of this thread as an example dividing the US population between Trump supporters, Trump detractors and a few undecideds makes sense. Each group has people with every skin colour and sexual orientation in it. They share political and cultural attitudes. Those are real differences.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Yes, those are my words and you misinterpreted them.

Once again, I have to repeat to you...because god knows I've written it several times now. Skin colour can be altered by anyone. I can hire a sunbed and a black person can take drugs to alter melanin levels. It's you who continually try to describe people's attitudes as relating to 'skin colour'.

No, my attitudes are informed by genes and their associated outcomes.....not something as reductionist as 'skin colour'.

To you perhaps but in reality when people refer to 'ethnicity' they are referring to both race and culture or either one individually..

It isn't 'much more to do with culture' or 'more to do with race', it depends how the word is being used by the user and the point they are making.

In your opinion perhaps but I disagree with you. The words 'black' or 'white' are just generalisms for ethnic groups. If you are making general points there's nothing wrong with them.

If you regard those words as prerogative then that says more about your attitudes than the words themselves. It's only leftist thinking that has seen terms like BAME and PoC come into existence. If people want to refer to themselves or groups like that I've no issue with it....but for me, no one compels my speech.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Oct 2020 12.34pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)