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Park Road Flag 11 Jun 18 11.43am

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

I agree with censorship of hate preaching in civilised society yes.

Muslim teacher teaches students to kill non Muslims, gays etcc in UK school
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Is this hate preaching in a civilised society?

 

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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 11 Jun 18 11.54am

Originally posted by Park Road

Muslim teacher teaches students to kill non Muslims, gays etcc in UK school
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Is this hate preaching in a civilised society?

I see you’ve edited the part out where I predicted this type of response. Well done.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 11 Jun 18 12.02pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Then there are folk like me who just think that something isn’t quite right when skinhead thugs are rioting in the capital. Paint me left if that’s what that makes me. If you think the folk in attendance on the weekends agreviances stop with their intolerance towards Islam, then you’re very much mistaken.

You are either ignorant or a liar spreading disinformation.

There were thousands at Saturday's demonstration and two arrests.

Two arrests.

No one here supports violence against others for their political views.

 


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Park Road Flag 11 Jun 18 12.15pm

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

I see you’ve edited the part out where I predicted this type of response. Well done.

Yes, we all read your response,So by your definition I'm a child.

Now, answer my question. Is that the kind of hate speech you are referring to, and do the teachers to you, seem civilised.

 

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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 11 Jun 18 12.15pm

Originally posted by Matov

And still you evade the issue. TR rose to prominence, due to the reaction to extremist Muslims in Luton and how they protested a march by the local Army regiment on their return from Afghanistan. And now TR is in prison due to his coverage of yet another grooming case involving Muslims.

There is a common theme here.

Yes, the violence was unedifying and achieves nothing, always worthy of condemning but that does nothing to address the underlying stresses that exist within our nation.

Is it all about a growing Islamic population? Then no. But there are no doubts that Labour councils, at the very best interpretation of the various official reports, deliberately chose to ignore what had been going on with regards to the grooming scandals. And at worse, actively colluded (I believe in Rotherham there was clear evidence of supposedly secure files being destroyed inside council offices).

It all adds to the wider perception that the Left effectively champions the rights of foreign born nationals, or non indigenous cultures, over that of the native population with Islam in particular being afford a status that is puzzling given its extremes of belief.

Out of interest, do you think that a growing Islamic population, and influence, on British society is a positive?

Absolutely not. But ask me if I think it’s something that should be of paramount concern then I’d have to say that it isn’t. And I’ll tell you that I feel that eveything is blown way out of proportion by the the section of the press controlled by the government, as they know it’s a sure fire way for them to stay in power. And media mogul who owns that section of the press wants to remain the status quo for taxation reasons.
Islam obviously isn’t the way forward. But i’m Not concerned about it becoming the way forward either. If your BNP’s and EDL’s can’t get ahold of things in Britain, then I can’t see Islam having much joy here. They might open a few mosques and have a few more noticeable people here. But they won’t be taking over any time soon. I think a bigger concern right now in the capital is all the moped gangs and the crime associated with them that is spiralling totally out of control.

Edited by Brentmiester_General (11 Jun 2018 12.20pm)

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 11 Jun 18 12.25pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Absolutely not. But ask me if I think it’s something that should be of paramount concern then I’d have to say that it isn’t. And I’ll tell you that I feel that eveything is blown way out of proportion by the the section of the press controlled by the government, as they know it’s a sure fire way for them to stay in power. And media mogul who owns that section of the press wants to remain the status quo for taxation reasons.
Islam obviously isn’t the way forward. But i’m Not concerned about it becoming the one way forward either. If your BNP’s and EDL’s can’t get ahold of things in Britain, then I can’t see Islam having much joy here. They might open a few mosques and have a few more noticeable people here. But they won’t be taking over any time soon. I think a bigger concern right now in the capital is all the moped gangs and the crime associated with them that is spiralling totally out of control.

So presumably, because they didn't arrive in warships or by parachute drop, you think that their influence won't be significant?
Have you not noticed that their presence has already caused great division, almost resulted in an invasion of Parliament and caused the death of dozens. You might have also noticed a few mosques that weren't there before.


 

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Stirlingsays Flag 11 Jun 18 12.32pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Absolutely not. But ask me if I think it’s something that should be of paramount concern then I’d have to say that it isn’t. And I’ll tell you that I feel that eveything is blown way out of proportion by the the section of the press controlled by the government, as they know it’s a sure fire way for them to stay in power. And media mogul who owns that section of the press wants to remain the status quo for taxation reasons.
Islam obviously isn’t the way forward. But i’m Not concerned about it becoming the way forward either. If your BNP’s and EDL’s can’t get ahold of things in Britain, then I can’t see Islam having much joy here. They might open a few mosques and have a few more noticeable people here. But they won’t be taking over any time soon. I think a bigger concern right now in the capital is all the moped gangs and the crime associated with them that is spiralling totally out of control.

Edited by Brentmiester_General (11 Jun 2018 12.20pm)

You show a touching ignorance of group birth statistics and rates and group demographics. Political Islam rises with Islamic population size.....It doesn't integrate well....That's why the work of the reformers is so important.....Reformers who are constantly attacked by 'mainstream' Muslims as well as extremists and the far left and left genuinely.

In the 2011 census the Islamic population in the UK had doubled in ten years to approximately 5 percent.

I repeat, doubled in ten years.

Come the 2021 census I expect, at the very least, this will show at least 8 to 10 percent.

I have children, I can see the social problems ahead. I view people like you as enablers for those problems. I'm pretty certain that in the future your political viewpoint will be cursed for its ignorance and naivety.


Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jun 2018 12.34pm)

 


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Matov Flag 11 Jun 18 12.39pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Absolutely not. But ask me if I think it’s something that should be of paramount concern then I’d have to say that it isn’t. And I’ll tell you that I feel that eveything is blown way out of proportion by the the section of the press controlled by the government, as they know it’s a sure fire way for them to stay in power. And media mogul who owns that section of the press wants to remain the status quo for taxation reasons.
Islam obviously isn’t the way forward. But i’m Not concerned about it becoming the way forward either. If your BNP’s and EDL’s can’t get ahold of things in Britain, then I can’t see Islam having much joy here. They might open a few mosques and have a few more noticeable people here. But they won’t be taking over any time soon. I think a bigger concern right now in the capital is all the moped gangs and the crime associated with them that is spiralling totally out of control.

Edited by Brentmiester_General (11 Jun 2018 12.20pm)


Thank you for being so honest.

I certainly share your views on the Moped gangs, along with the wider issues of knife/gang crime, but for me the issue of a growing Islamic population, and by default its political and societal influence, is a much wider concern.

Islam already exerts a political influence, even if it is due to predominately Labour politicians relying on the Muslim vote to ensure their tenure as MP's and local Councillors.

It represents a far bigger challenge to the future of the UK than either the BNP or the EDL, with their relatively short lived, yet controversial, impact on British politics being a direct consequence of the increase in the Muslim population.

And it was the BNP who were making the only noises about this grooming scandal well over a decade ago now with many politicians keen to denounce them for it. Perhaps people should have paid them more attention, at least in terms of that.

 


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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 11 Jun 18 12.52pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So presumably, because they didn't arrive in warships or by parachute drop, you think that their influence won't be significant?
Have you not noticed that their presence has already caused great division, almost resulted in an invasion of Parliament and caused the death of dozens. You might have also noticed a few mosques that weren't there before.


You been to Bangkok lately?

 


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Originally posted by Matov

General problem for the Left is that they have gone so far down the Rabbit hole of Identity politics that they are almost incapable of understanding any nuances in political stances.

So TR can be lauded by Sikh organisations, visit Israel, have black mates and generally be representative of a cosmopolitan British culture but because he expresses less than positive views about elements of Islam he must be a raving fascist.

I also think that the Left have a disturbing, almost schizophrenic, attitude towards Islam that is beyond confusing.

Logic should dictate that those on the Left would be those most rabidly anti-Islam given its stance on a entire raft of issues which they proclaim to champion. Just the Gay rights issue alone should ensure this.

And yet the Left seemingly champion a belief system that is at complete odds with almost the entire progressive zeitgeist.

But they seem incapable of being able to comprehend that because all they see is that Islam, in the main, is primarily a religion adhered to by non-white people so therefore they must throw themselves in front of anybody who dares to challenge it.

This is a very good post,and is also why these grooming gangs have got away with it for so long.
The spate of arrests we have had over the last couple
Of years is just the tip of the iceberg,yes some have now been jailed.
But it's been going on for years and years.

Edited by elgrande (11 Jun 2018 1.09pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 11 Jun 18 1.16pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by elgrande

This is a very good post,and is also why these grooming gangs have got away with it for so long.
The spate of arrests we have had over the last couple
Of years is just the tip of the iceberg,yes some have now been jailed.
But it's been going on for years and years.

Edited by elgrande (11 Jun 2018 1.09pm)

It was a excellent post I agree.

Unless reformers are lauded rather than demonised then it's only going to get worse as the percent goes up.

And this is only if the reformers are right and that they can de-fang the less pleasant elements of the main doctrines. I'm hopeful rather than expectant.

 


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Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

You been to Bangkok lately?

Not even for one night.

 

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