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BlueJay Flag UK 02 Jun 20 8.25pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Police have a right to dispense 'peaceful protestors'. I've watched videos of those 'peaceful protestors' outside the White House and I find that a very one eyed description.

In fact it's disgusting that this rioting has been allowed to go on in US cities and chaos isn't going to be stopped with nice language.

What's happening now should have been done right at the start.

I have little doubt Trump allowed it to continue for his own electional purposes.....knowing that the Democrats would be weak and not back their own Police enforcement.

I would imagine you meant disperse, though it doesn't much sound like you'd be bothered if they were dispensed of either, so maybe you were right the first time .

Clearly at the white house very significant numbers of entirely peaceful protestors had rubber bullets and tear gas fired at them for a photo op. Your emotion or slant on it is neither here nor there, because it is what it is.

Your almost reverence for violent disruptors on the right, like the proud boys, and lack of concern for people peacefully protesting when they don't share your view is very apparent.

Rounding on my message while giving a free pass to someone who just talked of what a laugh shooting innocent people would be furthers that reality. No doubt he's just "trolling" whereas if someone on the opposite politics said that you'd never stop talking about it. No wonder you attacked me for expressing "balance".


Edited by BlueJay (02 Jun 2020 8.26pm)

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Jun 20 8.31pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Here's one with his eye shot out with a gas canister. No doubt your pants are around your angles in excitement already.

And here’s a police officer, a man who contributed something to society, killed by those protesters.

Not sure about my angles but I know who gets my backing.

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Stirlingsays Flag 02 Jun 20 8.46pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

I would imagine you meant disperse, though it doesn't much sound like you'd be bothered if they were dispensed of either, so maybe you were right the first time .

Clearly at the white house very significant numbers of entirely peaceful protestors had rubber bullets and tear gas fired at them for a photo op. Your emotion or slant on it is neither here nor there, because it is what it is.

Your almost reverence for violent disruptors on the right, like the proud boys, and lack of concern for people peacefully protesting when they don't share your view is very apparent.

Rounding on my message while giving a free pass to someone who just talked of what a laugh shooting innocent people would be furthers that reality. No doubt he's just "trolling" whereas if someone on the opposite politics said that you'd never stop talking about it. No wonder you attacked me for expressing "balance".

Edited by BlueJay (02 Jun 2020 8.26pm)

Your stance does deserve criticism because without action those 'peaceful protestors'....who aren't that peaceful judging by the videos I've seen will never move.

The streets need to be cleared and you're just like to moralise and nitpick while others have to take the hard decisions and actions to restore order.

I could imagine what it would be like with you in charge.....frigging librarians.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2020 8.47pm)

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 02 Jun 20 8.58pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Your stance does deserve criticism because without action those 'peaceful protestors'....who aren't that peaceful judging by the videos I've seen will never move.

The streets need to be cleared and you're just like to moralise and nitpick while others have to take the hard decisions and actions to restore order.

I could imagine what it would be like with you in charge.

They were cleared from the streets for a photo op, not for any meaningful purpose. It was objectively a peaceful scene at the time Trump gave his speech. If you want to scour through footage to find examples of non peaceful protestors to convince yourself that it's fine to fire bullets and teargas at peaceful people then so be it.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 02 Jun 20 9.07pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

They were cleared from the streets for a photo op, not for any meaningful purpose. It was objectively a peaceful scene at the time Trump gave his speech. If you want to scour through footage to find examples of non peaceful protestors to convince yourself that it's fine to fire bullets and teargas at peaceful people then so be it.

So if it had been for something you regard as serious then it's ok then? I don't give a damn what's it's for.

So that's your idea of clearing rioters.....'Errr excuse me please, so sorry there, but we really have something important to do...sorry, we wouldn't be doing this otherwise.....you could just carry on for days, no weeks being 'peaceful'.

Democrats have been in charge of these states and there are many people in hospital now or have had their homes and businesses destroyed because of weak willed whiny moralising.

If what's happening now had happened at the start all of that would have been avoided.....No doubt you'd have criticised it then as you have now.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2020 9.08pm)

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 02 Jun 20 9.13pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I heard he's alive but in a bad way....alive for now anyway.

A lot going down at the moment.

The pedestrian is white. Was he a protester or what? I can’t tell. I wouldn’t want to be driving looking at scenes this week.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 02 Jun 20 9.16pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The pedestrian is white. Was he a protester or what? I can’t tell. I wouldn’t want to be driving looking at scenes this week.

I think the video said he was a copper.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 02 Jun 20 9.49pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So if it had been for something you regard as serious then it's ok then? I don't give a damn what's it's for.

So that's your idea of clearing rioters.....'Errr excuse me please, so sorry there, but we really have something important to do...sorry, we wouldn't be doing this otherwise.....you could just carry on for days, no weeks being 'peaceful'.

Democrats have been in charge of these states and there are many people in hospital now or have had their homes and businesses destroyed because of weak willed whiny moralising.

If what's happening now had happened at the start all of that would have been avoided.....No doubt you'd have criticised it then as you have now.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2020 9.08pm)

They were not clearing rioters. It was a peaceful scene at the time the tear gas and rubber bullets were flying.

You politically and racially fall in a spot that makes it pointless discussing this really. I'm not a fan of the far left, or the 'dissident right' or groups that contain extremist elements like the 'Proud Boys' or antifa, or the general racist elements that are present in all of these groups from left to right.

If you're happy with those scenes and the potential of the military, who operate by broadsword not scalpel, dealing with protesters be aware that it makes it more likely to happen when political tides turn too. And that the distinction between who is an "enemy" and who isn't to the military may well differ to the training of cops. They're more likely to be disproportionately trigger happy. Will they solely be dealing with actual rioters and looters, or will serious numbers of innocent people lose their lives for simply expressing an opinion.

But as for this peaceful scence, it seems to me that their politics isn't your cup of tea and so you don't care how they're treated. I prefer law enforcement norms that apply to both left and right, not cheering on the weak mans idea of a strong leader.

Edited by BlueJay (02 Jun 2020 9.54pm)

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 02 Jun 20 9.58pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

They were not clearing rioters. It was a peaceful scene at the time the tear gas and rubber bullets were flying.

You politically and racially fall in a spot that makes it pointless discussing this really. I'm not a fan of the far left, or the 'dissident right' or groups that contain extremist elements like the 'Proud Boys' or antifa, or the general racist elements that are present in all of these groups from left to right.

If you're happy with those scenes and the potential of the military, who operate by broadsword not a scalpel, dealing with protesters be aware that it makes it more likely to happen when political tides turn too. And that the distinction between who is an "enemy" and who isn't to the military may well differ to the training of cops. They're more likely to be disproportionately trigger happy.

But as for this peaceful scence, it seems to me that their politics isn't your cup of tea and so you don't care how they're treated. I prefer law enforcement norms that apply to both left and right, not cheering on the weak mans idea of a stronger leader.

'I prefer law enforcement norms that apply to both left and right'

Errr....excuse me...So how are you clearing these people?

Apparently, somewhere in your whiny rant I'm meant to care that if these were Proud boys protesting for days and involved in smashing crap up but then in part being peaceful that I wouldn't want them cleared.

Errr no.

These protesters were asked to leave many many times. Proud boys generally tend to respect what the police tell them to do.....But if asked to disperse after days and they didn't....Hell, yeah, feck them off.

You're just a whiny librarian Guardian reader and I claim my five pounds.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2020 9.59pm)

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 02 Jun 20 10.01pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

'I prefer law enforcement norms that apply to both left and right'

Errr....excuse me...So how are you clearing these people?

Apparently, somewhere in your whiny rant I'm meant to care that if these were Proud boys protesting for days and involved in smashing crap up but then in part being peaceful that I wouldn't want them cleared.

Errr no.

These protesters were asked to leave many many times. Proud boys generally tend to respect what the police tell them to do.....But if asked to disperse after days and they didn't....Hell, yeah, feck them off.

You're just a whiny librarian Guardian reader and I claim my five pounds.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2020 9.59pm)

Whatever you say Neo. I'm not much of a fan of the Guardian. Perhaps you have a tendency to drift further and further right, and imagine that others are therefore "far left". I can't say that any extreme groups or attitudes left or right titillate or interest me.

Edited by BlueJay (02 Jun 2020 10.10pm)

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 02 Jun 20 10.02pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

And here’s a police officer, a man who contributed something to society, killed by those protesters.

Not sure about my angles but I know who gets my backing.

Funnily enough, both peaceful protesters and police officers get my backing. They are not on opposite sides. I'm not, unlike you, getting excited about either of those groups being attacked and killed. If you're so quick to attribute one man's death to "protesters" as a whole, then you yourself are no different from the angry mob elements gunning for "all police" as result of George Floyd's death.


If you're able to click back to the previous page, you'll be able to see that I was just talking about how despicable a filmed attack on a police officer was, and how I hoped they'd be tracked down and have to permanently forfeit their liberty as result. I am against violence against those who protect and serve as well as those peacefully protesting, What a radical view.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 02 Jun 20 10.14pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Whatever you say Neo. I'm not much of a fan of the Guardian. Perhaps you have a tendency to drift further and further right, and imagine that others are therefore "far left". I can't say that any extreme groups or attitudes left or right titillate or interest me.

Edited by BlueJay (02 Jun 2020 10.10pm)


What you do or don't think is extreme isn't of any relevance.

The fact is, from what you've said so far, these riots would seemingly carry on destroying lives until they exhausted themselves out.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2020 10.20pm)

 


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