I see the hungarian president is getting a lot of flak from the EU war mongers over instigating peace talks with Russia.

Be fascinating to know how the situation had played out if the West had ignored Russia's invasion and not assisted Ukraine.

I suppose peace loving Putin would have installed a puppet and Ukraine would be back under the Soviet oops Russian thumb. All would have been well. Until of course the next democratic former Soviet satellite need "correction".

The war mongers of the West have much to answer for.

I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.

Only the Biden administration would have been stupid enough to push Russia into China's arms.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

We are so ill prepared if anything like that happened on our doorstep . We can't even stop a dingy no matter the Russian or Chinese army .

Edited by imashed (13 Jul 2024 10.58am)

This charge you frequently hear by those who defend the massive loss of life and financial burden of continuing to support this war rather than negotiating it is that....we must fight Russia or Russia is going to continue westwards.

You know it's notable that those that complain about the speculation of others are amongst the most speculative out there.

Regardless I've answered this point before but it never matters because the people who make these points are impervious to anything said to them...because they aren't about practical reality it's just about ego and narcissism.

It costs them little because it is very unlikely to be them in a trench....the old send off the young to die and personally I think it should only be done when there is no other choice....anyone who reads this thread and the arguments contained within can see the powerful arguments against this war....it's only the mainstream media who largely....as they did with Covid....keep these arguments away from the mainstream media.

That's why there isn't an anti war movement in this country like there was with the Gulf Wars, the mainstream media is now a largely controlled socially liberal machine that agrees far more with whatever the governmental consensus is.

They censor and gatekeep alternative opinions away from the public.

Exactly how Russia and Ukraine run their own mainstream media.

Anyway I want to address...once again...this charge that unless we fight Putin and weaken his military he's coming over the hill to us or others. All you need is simple logic to bat these arguments away.

The first point is that the Russian military in 2022 was far smaller than it is now. So if Putin was intending to invade multiple countries why is that the case? You never get an answer to this because the answer is obvious. The red line of Ukraine was always what Putin said and it's what he did...This course of action to subvert a Russian border country was a Nato/US state department policy that doesn't make sense unless you come to the conclusion that the policy was to surround and weaken Russia with anti Russia instead of neutral states (something the US would never accept itself)....Russia was warning about this war back in 2008 and did nothing until the overthrow of the democrat government in a CIA funded coup in 2014.

It's been the decision to escalate the war and the sanctions that occurred that made Putin decide to completely change the course of the Russia economy away from Europe and go to a war economy of around 40 percent of GDP.

What is the evidence that Putin intends to invade other countries?

None.

None, only the fear mongering of politicians. However, the fact that these countries have been aggressively supplying weapons against Russia certainly makes them enemies now.

Secondly the BRICs alliance will not want WW3 with Nato, which I presume would be required if Putin was to extend beyond Ukraine into Nato countries. The war effects them just as much as it effects everyone else.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jul 2024 12.07pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Ukraine have recently tried extorting more from Slovakia & Hungary by blocking the oil pipeline that runs from Russia to the two countries.

Given Slovakia has handed over its entirety of its air missile defence, a considerable amount of fighter jets, training aircraft, weapons, equipment and cash to Ukraine as well as house hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian nationals & allow them to live here tax free, Zelensky is taking the piss.

Probably a good idea to keep the nations to the west of you onside...

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