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Midlands Eagle 14 Apr 23 6.51am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Interesting turn of phrase that I'll have to remember
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georgenorman 14 Apr 23 7.51am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As with all of life today it's happening ever more quickly. New technology arrives, we all adopt it and all share it. We might have different pasts, but we share a today and a future. Religion is certainly an issue, but you know my solution to that. "People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome.” [Orwell, London Letter, 1945]
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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Apr 23 9.33am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's you who don't see the reality. Which is that we need younger people to bolster our work force and maintain our economy. It might surprise you, but there are a great deal more important things in British culture than fish and chips, which have, in any case, been replaced in popularity by Chicken Tikka Masala. Think about what that tells us! Our gene pool won't be "erased". With all humans sharing 99.9% of each other's genes that couldn't happen in any circumstances. How many new arrivals will intermarry? Over many generations things will be different, just as they have been before, but by then no-one will notice, or care. We have taught our Commonwealth cousins to consider themselves British. People came from the Caribbean, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, Canada and India to fight with us in WW2. I suspect you approve of some of them joining us, but not others. The idea that our "race" will be wiped out, without guns and gas chambers, is a disgusting comment. It's an insult both to all those who were actually the victims of a genocide but also to those arriving here with nothing more than a desire for a better life. Now you are just clutching at straws. And please spare me your disgust. The only thing disgusting around here is your constant attempts to spin and swerve and besmirch your way around what you actually know to be true.
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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Apr 23 9.39am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not at all "into" rnb or rap! Yes, to the second. The last time we ate in a curry house all the servers were "white". New arrivals tend to gravitate to areas where they feel comfortable, often sharing a home for a while. That's nothing new or unusual. That will dissipate over time. How much time depends on many things. It can take several generations receiving a better education, becoming more familiar with and accepting of British culture and being accepted within it. I can see it happening, even if others don't. Some will probably always live in enclaves, some because of religion, just look at Golders Green, some because of deprivation, but it will lessen. Where people have their home is not exclusively where they spend their lives. Some areas will be permanently changed, like Leicester, but will become more prosperous and develop their own character. Others will arrive, for sure, but not necessarily from the same areas, and the pattern will repeat. I see nothing to be unduly concerned about. We need to find the ways to cope with this because to not do so would produce a worse outcome. We ought not be frightened by change. It's always been with us in one way or another, and this is simply another way. So when the Nazis were on our doorstep, we should have just surrendered, just for the change. Only a total moron thinks that change is always good or to be encouraged. It is only good when it is better.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Apr 23 11.20am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
"People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome.” [Orwell, London Letter, 1945] No one can foresee the future. They can though anticipate general trends.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Apr 23 11.35am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Now you are just clutching at straws. And please spare me your disgust. The only thing disgusting around here is your constant attempts to spin and swerve and besmirch your way around what you actually know to be true. When anyone suggests that they know my mind better than myself I know they have lost the plot. I know I believe all of humanity, at its heart, shares all our common characteristics. We want the same things. We need the same things. We feel the same things. The things that separate us are artificial constructions, especially that of religious belief. We can destroy, or avoid, such constructions. We cannot though destroy our common humanity. We are undergoing a period of change. It's inevitable, given our situation and that which exists elsewhere. There is no reason to resent it and less reason to try to resist it. It's nothing new. It's just happening faster than in the past, just as everything is. You are not enjoying the ride, but your grandchildren won't even question they have been on one. Their concerns will be much more focussed on why we didn't spend more effort protecting them against the real threats they face.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Apr 23 11.42am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So when the Nazis were on our doorstep, we should have just surrendered, just for the change. Only a total moron thinks that change is always good or to be encouraged. It is only good when it is better. Don't be silly. The Nazi's were genocidal tyrants, who were always doomed to failure. The question was never if, but how and when. That wasn't change. It was attempted domination. We face changes that are simply part of an evolution. It will work itself out in time. It must work within an environment. That which benefits will prosper. That which doesn't will fade away.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 14 Apr 23 1.29pm | |
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Where is this land of clouds and cuckoo's that Wisbech inhabits ?
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Teddy Eagle 14 Apr 23 1.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Don't be silly. The Nazi's were genocidal tyrants, who were always doomed to failure. The question was never if, but how and when. That wasn't change. It was attempted domination. We face changes that are simply part of an evolution. It will work itself out in time. It must work within an environment. That which benefits will prosper. That which doesn't will fade away. That's all fine then. Since your knowledge of the situation is based mainly on what your wife tells you happens in a hospital in Cornwall everyone else in the country should just try harder. Then enjoy their jam.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 14 Apr 23 2.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Don't be silly. The Nazi's were genocidal tyrants, who were always doomed to failure. The question was never if, but how and when. That wasn't change. It was attempted domination. We face changes that are simply part of an evolution. It will work itself out in time. It must work within an environment. That which benefits will prosper. That which doesn't will fade away. Word salad alert
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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HKOwen Hong Kong 14 Apr 23 2.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
When anyone suggests that they know my mind better than myself I know they have lost the plot. I know I believe all of humanity, at its heart, shares all our common characteristics. We want the same things. We need the same things. We feel the same things. The things that separate us are artificial constructions, especially that of religious belief. We can destroy, or avoid, such constructions. We cannot though destroy our common humanity. We are undergoing a period of change. It's inevitable, given our situation and that which exists elsewhere. There is no reason to resent it and less reason to try to resist it. It's nothing new. It's just happening faster than in the past, just as everything is. You are not enjoying the ride, but your grandchildren won't even question they have been on one. Their concerns will be much more focussed on why we didn't spend more effort protecting them against the real threats they face. So you are an atheist presumably
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georgenorman 14 Apr 23 3.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
When anyone suggests that they know my mind better than myself I know they have lost the plot. I know I believe all of humanity, at its heart, shares all our common characteristics. We want the same things. We need the same things. We feel the same things. The things that separate us are artificial constructions, especially that of religious belief. We can destroy, or avoid, such constructions. We cannot though destroy our common humanity. We are undergoing a period of change. It's inevitable, given our situation and that which exists elsewhere. There is no reason to resent it and less reason to try to resist it. It's nothing new. It's just happening faster than in the past, just as everything is. You are not enjoying the ride, but your grandchildren won't even question they have been on one. Their concerns will be much more focussed on why we didn't spend more effort protecting them against the real threats they face. Pol Pot had a crack as destroying all these 'constructs', and Stalin thought the grandchildren of his contemporaries would all be good communists. Edited by georgenorman (14 Apr 2023 3.43pm)
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